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    New IdeaLabs Product – 3α-Dihydroprogesterone (3α-DHP)

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    • SunnivaS
      Sunniva @Mauritio
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      @Mauritio when did you use it during the day?

      "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

      "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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        pannacottas @AinmBeo
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        @AinmBeo
        They are scammers, stay away

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          wester130 @pannacottas
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          it would be interesting to see how this boosts Testosterone

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          • MauritioM
            Mauritio
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            There's very little studies on this metabolite ...

            Dare to think.

            My X:
            x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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              wester130 @Mauritio
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              @Mauritio

              " 3α-DHP has also been found to inhibit the secretion offollicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) from the rat pituitary gland, demonstrating possible antigonadotropic effects "

              "opioid antagonists, like naltrexone, have progonadotropic effects, and can increase luteinizing hormone and testosterone levels."

              so are gonadotropins, follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone bad for you?

              should they be high or low?

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                bio3nergetic
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                In general, Ray warned against metabolites and downstream hormones.

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                • MauritioM
                  Mauritio @bio3nergetic
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                  @bio3nergetic yeah he wasn't the biggest fan of 5aDHP either. Which is understandable if you see the cancer studies. And Ray was pretty cautious when it comes to supplements in general.

                  Dare to think.

                  My X:
                  x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                  • MauritioM
                    Mauritio @wester130
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                    @wester130 well Ray wasn't fond of pituitary hormones so there's that

                    And androgens like DHT would also suppress them so I wouldn't say that's necessarily a bad thing.
                    Interestingly it only suppresses FSH and not LH.

                    Dare to think.

                    My X:
                    x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                      Verdad
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                      Awesome @haidut! Keep it up your work is truly a light in the darkness.

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                        wester130 @Verdad
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                        @Verdad you aren't worried about lowering gonadotropins, follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone?

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                          jorda11
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                          @haidut is this best taken orally or on the skin

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                          • mexican_coke_fanM
                            mexican_coke_fan @wester130
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                            @wester130 Is this true? That would mean one's test would tank right?

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                              wester130 @mexican_coke_fan
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                              @mexican_coke_fan the information is contradictory

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                                risingfire @bio3nergetic
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                                @bio3nergetic might shock you to find this out but Ray took testosterone at the end of his life. He didn't necessarily warn against but rather cautioned people taking downstream hormones.

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                                  bio3nergetic @risingfire
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                                  @risingfire No, not a shock. I was aware of the testosterone, but with his use at around a few mg max, with his fairly solid understanding that with something like testosterone, at a low dose, it was not only basically safe but also helpful, he never truly equated the downstream metabolite types to it. For the downstream metabolites, he clearly stated he thought they were unpredictable and not safe to take.

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                                    risingfire @bio3nergetic
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                                    @bio3nergetic not sure where you're getting your information but testosterone is a downstream hormone

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                                      bio3nergetic @risingfire
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                                      @risingfire There are far more downstream metabolite types from more primary downstream hormones than testosterone. That is what Ray meant, and that's what I am referring to.

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                                        risingfire @bio3nergetic
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                                        @bio3nergetic you should have just said metabolites. I think Ray would have experimented with DHT at some point had he still been alive

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                                          jorda11
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                                          did anybody had good results with this
                                          I personally did not feel anything locally and orally

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                                          • MauritioM
                                            Mauritio
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                                            Only tried it once.
                                            It feels pretty strongly anti-cortisol.
                                            Also the next day my libido was a little higher and my muscles looked pretty full.

                                            Thats all , I'm trying Melanon and lanosterol now so might be some time until I get back to 3aDHP.

                                            Dare to think.

                                            My X:
                                            x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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