What do you guys think of Trump now that he won
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@Corngold At risk of sounding like a Brezhnev-era apparatchik... I might word the premise:
Agree. The west has always been collaborating with east/Communist countries to destabilize and conquer autonomous outlier countries.
As more like:
Being an autonomous outlier makes you conquerable.
So the ultimate, long-horizon question is not how we should make ourselves independent of the system, because that is a fantasy. We are all constrained by universal gravitation. But instead how we can control and meld the system. The process of struggle. Of Jihad in the Muslim system. Closest Anglosphere theology is "Crusade".
I used to think myself some kind of Anarchist. Thought that the crucible of capitalism could produce technologies (e.g., Solar Panels) that could free people from the torment of the system (this is true), but could then apply without continual integration. But the project of eliminating "unjust, unwarranted hierarchy (but not the just hierarchies!)" is an idealist fantasy not unlike creating contradiction-free speech. Solar Panels are all made in giant massively vertically integrated factories in China. Our regime just imposed a 25% tariff on them.
Obtaining ultimate and universal power is not optional. This power has a defined shape. Communism. It will be a Phase Change of the state of the world.
https://x.com/leecronin/status/1832603599769158126
The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.
The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.
But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons — the modern working class — the proletarians.
Marx
And so on.
Understanding and changing the world without an honest appraisal of Marxism and Materialism is fighting with one hand behind your back.
The differentiated, hierarchical structure of the human body as a Communism of its individual cells, versus yeast-like cancer. The unity of the once independent mitochondria and nucleus to form the eukaryote.
https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2024/04/17/scientists-discover-first-nitrogen-fixing-organelle/
It has all happened before.
The only question is, how do the individual cells of the body feel about their condition?
A bonus on Goethe. Since I mentioned Islam. Not Muslim myself but it is stimulating.
https://medium.com/@SaidAbdulLatif/goethes-embrace-of-islam-7421196b1d88
And Tolstoy.
https://www.honeyfromparadise.com/tolstoy-on-islam/
I think all of it is related to Materialism. Especially if we take Julian Jaynes' conclusions in Origin of Consciousness to be correct.
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@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
The process of struggle.
The personal one might avoid the 'jihad'. Some reference points and feedback would be useful.
Understanding and changing the world without an honest appraisal of Marxism and Materialism is fighting with one hand behind your back.
Some corporate law wouldn't go amiss. In understanding communication problems at least. Soviet's had theirs.
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I don't know if you are aware, but while this word relates to insurgency, it more generally refers to a theological concept of (any kind of) struggle as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
Some corporate law wouldn't go amiss. In understanding communication problems at least. Soviet's had theirs.
Mm, indeed.
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Thank you. I ought to have been for reading but I'm partial to Team America impressions. Being a silly moron is probably pivotal to my cardiac maintenance.
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Controlling for experimental meds, altered ARDS protocol, terrifying messaging, vile division and vitriol, I'd be interested in evidence on a postcard that it wasn't sneedster.
When the Lancet described it a syndemic, I wished I'd been paying more attention to the world around me in the years prior.
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@ThinPicking mayhaps.
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@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
But the project of eliminating "unjust, unwarranted hierarchy (but not the just hierarchies!)" is an idealist fantasy not unlike creating contradiction-free speech. Solar Panels are all made in giant massively vertically integrated factories in China. Our regime just imposed a 25% tariff on them.
True, there will always be over-lords, even in an agrarian communitarian situation. Lone-wolf existence is a total anomaly in nature, so I can see the complex history of "socialism" as just a new, dirty name for what was Republicanism in Medieval and modern times, and even ancient Greece and Rome.
It seems like a good solar panel or ionospheric energy generator is possible, not to mention water as fuel. But I do know the current solar panel / green energy industry is a total money laundering scheme, part of the "carbon credit" global scheme. I sense that the WEF views Earth as a small high school class of about 200 students; there are about 200 countries, right? Well, I guess the levels of power are sort of like the upper classes you don't see or know, but certainly exist.I'm not sure if those stories are all true about people who made car engines that could run on water, and then died mysteriously, but when you see companies trying to use hydrogen as fuel it makes you wonder. Fuel comes from oil and plastics are also made of recycled plastic or fresh, from oil. And many other things are made from oil or plastic, like polyester which supplies bedding, clothing, cars... everything is basically a cheap replica of what was once real.
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It seems like a good solar panel or ionospheric energy generator is possible, not to mention water as fuel. But I do know the current solar panel / green energy industry is a total money laundering scheme, part of the "carbon credit" global scheme.
Low Tech Magazine reported on one example of a lesser-known solar panel design.
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/10/how-to-build-a-low-tech-solar-panel/
Fuel comes from oil and plastics are also made of recycled plastic or fresh, from oil. And many other things are made from oil or plastic, like polyester which supplies bedding, clothing, cars... everything is basically a cheap replica of what was once real.
A bonus from them on using plastic waste as fuel.
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/11/plastic-waste-in-the-fuel-tank/
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We all know
Politics…
Ideologies…
Just a means to the endWhat happens to you in the End?
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@S-Holmes Respectfully, this looks like the work of one of the RNC's propaganda wings. I don't see serious analysis here. Even before suspending my disbelief that a US president could actually oppose The Plans.
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@Rah1woot I am going to continue to derail this thread with discussion of Islamic esoterica. For the last time. Next up will probably be a separate thread.
I think all of it is related to Materialism. Especially if we take Julian Jaynes' conclusions in Origin of Consciousness to be correct.
I found a small confirmation of this view in this blogpost from a Russian Orthodox monk who converted to Islam:
https://www.honeyfromparadise.com/from-moscow-to-mecca-preparing-for-umrah/
It is not a secret that there is disunity in Islam, also. There is disunity anywhere there is more than one person. (And truth be told, there’s often disunity within one’s self!) It’s just human nature. But having said that… The core of Islam has held up remarkably well. The essential beliefs are all there among different Muslim groups — Sunni, Shia, or what have you. ‘lā ʾilāha ʾillā -llāh, ‘muḥammadun rasūlu llāh. “There is no god but God, and Muhammad is His prophet.” The shahada. The ONE faith. Islam. The sharp clarity of the profession of the Muslim faith. Reflecting on it calls to mind the words of Ernst Jünger:
Why is Islam, even without telescopes, so much closer to infinity? One has the impression that only a thin veil separates the worlds. [La ilaha illa Allah] is the formula, the steadfast pillar on which they rest. And the (Muslim) mind has sharpness because it sharpens its teeth at this diamond.This Oneness. “La ilaha illa Allah! La ilaha illa Allah! La ilaha illa Allah! La ilaha illa Allah!…” In groups of invocations, in private, into the sacred stillness of the night, Muslims around the world chant this invocation of God. All of us returning to that One. Al-Haqq, or ‘the Real’, as the Sufi tradition loves to refer to Allah.
A bonus. Brand-new publication on the aliveness of Mitochondria.
