Glucose loading cures everything?
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@evan-hinkle I throw about half a teaspoon in a 16 oz bottle of oj. I do dabs so they melt apart faster or I can suck down a clump with every couple gulps. I don’t refrigerate my oj on the day I drink it. Leave it in my car and the coconut oil melts fine. No need to mix.
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I have stopped glucose. I find it throws off my blood sugar game and didn’t see any benefit over 6 months, up to 320g per day for months.
I still think it can help others though.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I have stopped glucose. I find it throws off my blood sugar game and didn’t see any benefit over 6 months, up to 320g per day for months.
I still think it can help others though.
Sorry to hear you didn't see any benefits. May I ask how it threw off your blood sugar game?
I'm quite surprised that Dr. Stephen's had such high success rate (perhaps disputable), because I think such high levels of glucose over time would create a lot of deficiencies for people who aren't mindful of eating nutrient dense food. I feel I have to be on it to avoid deficiencies, even taking approximately 150 grams of glucose a day, but I guess it could be that I'm already at risk for deficiencies with a metabolism that's been struggling for a long time.
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On a side note: Activation of PPAR-y ramps up lipogenesis whilst blocking fatty acid oxidation. This can be a reason for depending on glucose or constantly craving carbs at low doses throughout the day and night because fatty acid oxidation is effectively switched off independent of one's diet. The widely-used substance group of sartans (telmisartan, valsartan, candesartan, losartan, olmesartan) activate PPAR-y. Although not in everyone to the same extent that would attract attention.
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@CrumblingCookie this is a super find, thank you for explaining it and doing so clearly. It may explain a lot about constant hunger.
I have a lot of folks I work with who are "always hungry" and I wonder why they are.
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@gentlepotato I had to watch for sugar crashes. I was hungrier. I found when I stopped, I stopped being "hungry all the time."
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@Ecstatic_Hamster
I assume that being hungry means I need more nutrients, not less efficient fuel. I've slept well and not felt hungry on 2500 calories before, now I need around 2800 a day to not go hungry. It makes a lot of sense, bioenergetically. 150 grams of pure glucose ramps up metabolism, but that also means one needs more nutrients.My sense is what is happening for anyone that takes glucose is that the body will start to do pending work, and that is energy consuming and takes time. I'm eating more and staying patient.
Not eating more = feeling hungry, and for some even weight gain.
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I would add some honey with dextrose (21:50 youtube video Why You May Need More Carbs in Your Diet - Interview with Georgi Dinkov (Dr Ray Peat) by Dr Mercola). Also would have some juice for minerals. If a person has malfunctioning liver, he would not tolerate fructose or sucrose, and if the person has bad digestion, he would not tolerate starches or lactose. So dextrose is helpful for very sick people. But dextrose still needs nutrients and vitamins.
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@TayaLeaf of course.
I think exploration is important. Exactly what foods works for one person doesn't work for another. But my thinking, and what works for me right now, is that primarily my nutrients come from sources with lots of them. Honey has more nutrients than sucrose and glucose, but there's so many more nutrient dense foods, so if that's the aim honey isn't the best alternative in my opinion.
Unlike honey glucose doesn't need breaking down at all, and can be used right away. Likely this is the issue for many of us, as well as inability to store glycogen.
I'd you don't have metabolic issues and are looking for a more nutrient dense sugar honey is great, but as long as you eat nutrient dense foods alongside any sugar is good imo.
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Do you have a link to him recommending saturated fat with sugary foods? I've seen him recommend fat with starch, but not with sugar.
Unfortunately, no.
I don't know if I updated the thread about it, but I mentioned trying this, think it was in the fall. Without fat definitely feels better for me, at the moment.
Totally, everyone’s liver is in a different place. Also, there is never announced how much fat is consumed. Maybe when I say I’m feeling good on fat+sugar, I’m using like half the fat you are, or maybe you’re half my size, etc.
For me it's all about exploring. RP's suggestions are not recommendations to follow like rules, they're helpful starting points for exploration.
Agreed!
Also aspirin with vit k to improve glucose oxidation
…so many of us haven't gotten better just follow his advice.
To be honest, and it sounds like argumentative defensiveness, but I believe after my own experiences as well as many others, that people autistically follow his advice, but don’t know how to incorporate it. Yes, there’s a difference. I used like 40mcg daily of t3 for 6 months, not advised by him, but in an effort to heal my own liver; Huge bolus’s of progesterone tipped the scales, as well. I realized that while I was saying I was eating healthy and peaty, I was actually getting like 3x the needed daily protein, and twice the needed daily fat. When I thought I was eating enough saturated fat to aid digestion, it should’ve been a little butter and beef fat, I should NOT have been so paranoid of any amounts of pufa’s in animal fats and egg yolks — cholesterol solves most low-fat digestion problems.
— Ray couldn’t help me with these problems, they were my own faulty perceptions, and I read a lot of his works at that.Aspirin and vit K; sure, can be helpful interventions. But I think for me a huge part of the issue has been that my body has an imbalance in cortisol, and therefore isn't able to store much glucose.
This is another one of those things… aspirin is dose dependent, and many people could be healed from it but are using it wrong, and that’s an important factor. I’ve come to respect Danny’s claiming it’s a Swiss Army knife now, more than when I was first attempting to use it and would give up for a year of something... some of these things can take years to manifest.
A simple daily carrot did so much for me after I got my temps and pulse in order, but before that, it hindered.
Can aspirin and vit K help? Maybe, but it's like bandages on a bullet wound. Supplementing glucose seem to actually bypass the issue/root cause, allows the immune system and liver to work better, and I hope this will lead to recovery.
Agreed, these are all super conditional/symptom specific efforts, and there can be different answers depending…
Pounding oj/milk/progesterone/aspirin/carrot salad, without considering various factors, which means sometimes a certain order spanning years, is to “cargo cult” the problem.