@yerrag said in What to do as a giga fatty?:
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@yerrag said in What to do as a giga fatty?:
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I've long discarded CICO. A waste of time. The body knows. Trusts its wisdom to say enough. A body in balance and well-regulated internally stops eating when it is full. It does not get hungry in between the 3 meals it gets in a day. It has energy during daytime and it sleeps soundly at night. It does not get overweight nor underweight. And burns enough calories internally it does not need much exercise to stay trim and fit.
Only in highly educated circles do people lose sight of common sense and have to waste their time measuring calories like they have nothing else to do. Being highly educated only guarantees you get an expensive piece of paper to show credulous people you know something more than they do.
If you have to count calories, then you cant possibly be healthy at all.
I so agree. CICO is a big disappointment because the weight will always come back. Your body hates to starve. It hates deprivation. It will fight you forever after you’ve lost the weight. Being kind to one’s body, (meaning eat enough calories and the right kind of calories) will serve you in a superior way.
I wish I had known this in my 20’s. I was forever starving myself trying to be an imaginary perfect size. I wasn’t even over weight. But starving oneself catches up to you as you get older and your screwed up metabolism is the price you pay.
Personally, and this is big for me, I’ve reached a point where I can eat a lot more calories now and not gain weight. That was unheard of before for me. And now my body temperature stays elevated. Just by nourishing my body. And by eating the RIGHT saturated fat.
Avoid PUFAS like the plague. They are in everything. Science is catching up to Ray Peat. They are finding now that PUFAS are implicated in cancer. And other maladies.
CICO is very flawed. If you don't follow CICO, it's because your body uses both sugar and fat intakes efficiently such that what is eaten is mostly turned into kinetic energy to meet the needs of the here and now, and only a small portion is stored as potential energy. Think of the potential energy as being mostly in the form of fats.
When sugar taken in cannot be quickly processed into energy, it accumulates as high blood sugar. Only for high blood sugar to be lowered by converting the sugar to fats.
So much so that when this happens each times one eats, one would keep adding fats and gain weight, and at the same times, as what he eats does not turn into useful energy (kinetic), he will have little energy as well as be hungry. So he could eat again out of hunger, and becaue he is hungry, he doesn't have a choice but to eat again, and gain more weight as he eats again.
This person will end up obese over time with no control over it. Over time, the body will adapt by requiring less food from him, as it downregulates his metabolism. But by then he is a blob, and will be desperate to try anything to lose weight. He will do all the wrong things to lose weight from fasting to eating less carbohydrates in favor of fats and protein.
It's wrong because by fasting he will be geting keep depriving the body of energy that he is already lacking to sustain his long term health.
And in relying more on eating fats he will come to rely more on glycolysis for burning carbohydrates, and this metabolic pathway is wasteful because it produces little useful energy, and because it produces little carbon dioxide which is needed to provide good tissue oxygenation, which is needed if ever energy production has to be more efficient to give more useful energy. Energy is the currency of health, and with a recurring lack of it one would descend into an existence where little energy is required of him, and he might as well spend his life hibernating.,if that is possible at all. Since it isn't possible, he will be on a downward spiral of degeneration as his tissues and organs slowly die and fail, if he isn't overtaken by cancer or a stroke.
And if he should go on a carnivore diet, he will just have to rely on adrenaline and cortisol to convert protein to much needed sugar, and while his blood sugar will not go thru its highs and lows, as sugar becomes available on demand and is never going to be too much to handle, he will be chronically on stress mode, while his immunity suffers as cortisol destroys his thymus gland, and his system gets to deal with a high ammonia load that brings about higher nitric oxide.
This really leaves us with not much choice but to go back to a high carb nutritional lifestyle as the other options are flawed. So if we are left to eat high carb, how is CICO going to be useful when people's bodies treat carbohydrates very differently?
The healthy and trim ones process sugar very well and the carbohydrates quickly gets metabolized in the mitochondria and produces a lot of energy. Not much sugar is left in the blood in excess to cause them to be converted to fats, and the low insulin levels of good blood sugar regulation allows lipolysis to occur such that body fat is used up and not allowed to accumulate to cause obesity and overweight.
On the other hand, those who become overweight and obese absorb and metabolize sugar very slowly, and their carbohydrate intakes keep getting converted to fats in a never-ending cycle of gaining weight and fat stores.
Clearly, because calories can either end up as active energy that does not weigh much as it is eventually used up, or as potential energy in the form of fats, how does CICO make sense?
Perhaps it makes sense, only in terms of applying to each individual context. Such that my CICO and your CICO are different from one another.
Such that you can apply CICO to yourself. But if you're easily trim and don't require much exercise while eating regular meals, you won't care about CICO.
You're only going to want to deal with CICO only if you're overweight or obese.
But this begs the question, would it better not to deal with CICO, but instead work on improving your sugar mtabolism so that you can be like the trim person who eats 3 full meals a day, doesn't have to walk 10k steps each day, and still maintain a normal weight?
People who criticize Peat’s recommendations for eating a certain way, saying that all they did was get fat from it etc. etc. is probably because they approached what he was suggesting, the wrong way.
Because suddenly they felt they had the liberty to eat and eat till their heart’s content, they went overboard in their eating…say for example, eating previously forbidden massive amounts of sugar, or juice or fat ….because they perceived that Peat did not believe in condemning carbs for example.
It was a “party on” mentality for some. They had been let out of the self imposed cage of restriction and reacted to that, going in the opposite direction.
Then after they gained a lot of unnecessary weight, they turned around and said that Peat’s reccomendations didn’t work.
IMO it wasn’t Peat’s recommendations that were/are wrong. It was/is their understanding/perception of his recommendations, and their applying them indiscriminately, in an all or nothing, black and white unstudied fashion, that was/is the problem.
I’m not saying this is applicable in all cases.
In my own case, why I am now approaching things differently in regards to Peat’s suggestions, is because I have more understanding as to the “why” Peat recommended what he did.
It’s not enough to say “stop eating Pufas”. It’s understanding WHY they are bad for you. Or understanding why the over abundance of them in our modern society, has had such a detrimental effect on our health.
You don’t avoid them for just avoidance sake. You avoid them because you understand. Because you take the time to understand, by researching Peat’s writings, and comprehending what they do to the human body in excess.
Then, armed with this new found knowledge, you apply it to your life. And you improve. If you approach it in that way.
Everyone wants an instant fix. Not gunna happen that way. Sure, if you starve yourself to lose weight, you do lose, but then you rebound. And gain more weight back. And are fatter as a result. The body knows when it’s being starved. It rebels.
It’s a process coming to understand why Peat wrote what he wrote about different topics.
His principals work, his knowledge is helpful, if you approach them with understanding, also paying attention to how eating a certain way works for you individually.
It’s funny in an ironic way, how the cutting edge popular diet gurus ( if we want to call them that) are now confirming how much of what Peat wrote was accurate. It’s been a long time coming.