Glucose loading cures everything?
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@Atman said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I have listened to the whole first talk which was linked in this thread and I am not impressed.
If you can Atman, do it again and in context. Attach a ultra wide angle lens and use an ultra low shutter speed. Maybe there's something happening here. Maybe something is different about them. It could be nothing, or it could be profound.
https://youtu.be/AiyoNM7OT7Y?si=-vBclIdhTCsDNvbP - November 2019
https://youtu.be/J7sG-ePM6Hw?si=3VuouVdJaAO3gZDo - June 2024Pay attention and you'll see he's less animated. He's aging. Faster than he ought to in my opinion. Maybe something happened to him. Maybe the mud we've all been dragged through had something to do with it. And maybe something more personal prior that made him think about this in the first place.
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Is there expected weight gain due to high dextrose consumption?
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@tubert Some gain weight and some don't. I read that if people cut back on other carb sources they will be less likely to. Dr. Stephens said of his patients who gained weight over the 4 to 6 month period, they were able to lose it after. (No details were offered about how they lost the weight. I assume they felt better so were more motivated to move.)
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I may go on a glucose and brewers yeast diet for a while... maybe eat one meal a day..
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I've been following this thread and several on RPF on this topic.
On RPF, there have been a couple recent negative experiences and one or two people have stopped the protocol. But there have been a lot of positive reports too and generally a lot of optimism around and embracing of the protocol.
It seems here there is largely an openness, despite reasonable skepticism and questioning of how it would work and why it would be better than loading up on starch or white sugar loading.
I have been doing something close to the protocol for 2-3 weeks now; nothing major to report good or bad.
Does anyone here have a good summary of benefits / drawbacks you've felt from the protocol? I know several are doing it (@S-Holmes @evan-hinkle @CrumblingCookie @Jaffe @happyhanneke @Ben, maybe others )
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Peer-reviewed research on mechanisms related to glucose fueling of the brain and glucose restoration in the brain. Glucose restoration results in human restoration.
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I think we realy just need to wait a few months because by then most who embarked on this can/will report a proper idea of what this whole thing is and wether the promises work or not and wether this is realy harmful. Should i not have diabetes by the 6 month mark then i will never let anyone induce fear of sugar to me again. People also need to understand this is a treatment over a certain time not a lifestyle.
So far for me the positives:
- energy feeling (brain) is high most of the time which is so much lifequality
- no brainfog
- chronic anxiety feeling is alot lower than what is usually baseline
- sensitivity in all regards is way lower and things feel way less troublesome/problematic in general
- a sense of hope/wellbeing that things can and will change for the better
-maybe tmi but libido and erection quality is realy great atm
the negatives:
-occasional tiredness or nausea, usually very shortlived (lasting a few mins after ingestion ,seems dose dependend)the not sure what to make of it or if related:
- getting realy hangry 2-3 times a week
- my hair is thinning more than usual the past days
- body hair growing more
- nails growing faster
- digestion is a little worse now instead of better as it was initially on the protocol
- sleeping less due to having to much energy at bed time but sleep itself is still good (have to set a time when to lie down )
- either a little weight gain or more water retention around the midsection
the dissapointing thus far:
- no reduction in percieved ailments (tinnitus, chronic inflammation, sense of selfworth etc.) yet
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@Ben Thank you for the comprehensive response. And I do agree, time will tell for this. And like you mention, it is good to keep in mind that even in Stephens' protocol, it is a temporary (6-month) treatment, not a new lifestyle.
Here's to continued energy and life quality and hopefully reduced negatives.
Very interesting that your hair up top is thinning more but your body hair and nails are growing more.
I hope your ailments do resolve!
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I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.
I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
Very frustrating.Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.
Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.
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@evan-hinkle Boom!
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@happyhanneke said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.
I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
Very frustrating.Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.
Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.
For bloat. Try minimizing the amount of water you mix it with as low as possible. I found 70-80ml enough to fully dissolve but low enough to minimize the bloat I used to get with a whole glass of water. Dr. Stephens says his patients that use glucose tablets don’t experience the bloating issue that dextrose powder users do.
As for weight gain, this protocol still follows the general rules of high carb dieting. Gotta drop the fat intake and/or increase activity if you find yourself gaining unwanted fat.
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@happyhanneke If the brain requires 160 grams of glucose daily in a body AT REST (as Dr Stephens has said), it seems the weight gain from far less than that amount means we haven't yet convinced the brain that the body isn't starving. I'm on a lot more glucose than 25 grams 4 times a day and I did initially see more "weight" in the midsection, but I'm fairly certain it was swelling (water). Now, 3 weeks in, that has improved and I don't seem to be gaining extra pounds, but I'm also trying to cut back on other sugars and carbs.
As far as cognitive improvements go, my brain IS functioning better. My husband's moods have dramatically improved. We are having pains and eruptions quickly coming and going, which as a homeopath, is always a good sign.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Thank you. I'm just feeling it in my clothes. I don't weigh myself since it's a huge trigger and can ruin my whole day. It's also 100+F right now so that might be part of it too.
I have cut back on other things but since I am learning to eat normal for the past 6-7 months and not always dieting or cutting back, I don't want to overdo it. I have gained a lot of belly fat so it's just something that is hard to simply accept as part of the process. My first thought is always to diet. Quieting those thoughts is hard but I'm working on it. -
@happyhanneke Healing is difficult in a time when people are obsessed with being thin. (Renaissance, where are you when we need you!) I was always very thin, until menopause, and now, although not in XX sizes, I could afford to shed some pounds.
Hopefully the glucose will help us with our insecurities, allowing us to just focus on healing, and then we can deal with the extra weight when we feel better.
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Dr. Stephens' website.
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Hi everyone!
I've read through the thread and appreciate everyone's shares and thoughts. It's been helpful as I started navigating this myself.
I started exploring glucose loading a couple of weeks ago. Last week I also started checking my blood glucose, to see what is going on. I purchased a two week continuous monitor this morning, so when that arrives I'll get even more data. Is anyone else tracking BG levels?
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@gentlepotato I am not tracking glucose levels, but I will be very curious to see what yours are. I've seen anecdotal reports (I think it was on RPF) that people's BG levels are dropping back down to normal relatively quickly after doses, and that some people have brought their average BG levels down using this protocol, but I think it would be very interesting to see it in actual CGM data.
Per Stephens, the idea is that this should significantly improve your ability to handle glucose and insulin sensitivity, but that is kind of an unverified claim at this point.
CGM data will be interesting. -
@jjk_learning My issue may be different than other people's. I have ME/CFS, and without going into to great of detail, an issues in ME/CFS is that one of the pathways for breaking down glucose isn't working. Hypoglycemia is common. The glucose loading theory makes perfect sense for me, and I may be one of those people who need a very large dose.
My levels are hardly spiking and I'm back to fasting levels (or even reactive hypoglycemia) two hours after a meal and/or glucose.
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@gentlepotato That is very interesting. Is it the case that your levels hardly spike back on regular carbs too? Or is it only on this glucose protocol that the levels quickly go back to fasting levels or reactive hypo?
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Testing isn’t bad per say
But being unable to interpret what is happening accurately is the problemAs I stated above:
Glucose metabolism is a vital process for cellular respiration.
In mitochondrial respiration, glucose is converted into adenosine triphosphate,
the cell's energy currency, through a process that takes place in the mitochondria's membranesIf that cell is in a stressed state
Say
ME, CFS, malnourishment etc
While healing
The results you see may startle youIm not recommending that you don’t test or that you push through
I healed fully (through food sugars- not supplemental sugars)
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You must understand your physiology and use other markers as wellYes
My sugar handling was awry
But
So many other signs and symptoms were vanishingI am fully healed now
