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Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”

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    zorba990 @LetTheRedeemed
    last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 12:45 AM

    @LetTheRedeemed Wonder what would happen if I bubble hydrogen through ribose infused water?

    Found this on Amazon : https://www.amazon.com/RPI-2-Deoxy-D-Ribose-500-Grams/dp/B01N0X8O06

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      LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
      last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 1:05 AM

      @sneedful dangit. in that case it could be working on hair growth thru the estrogen function: increase water retention, ie bloodflow

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        LetTheRedeemed
        last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 1:07 AM

        Anybody recall Peat's quote on sugar helping hair growth? was he talking topical? I wonder what topical glucose + ATP + Progest E might do.

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          bot-mod
          last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 10:34 AM

          This is so simple I could believe in it.

          Thanks for sharing it.

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            Hearthfire @LetTheRedeemed
            last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 5:22 PM

            @LetTheRedeemed

            I found this thread talking about it, from a podcast/conversation with Ray Peat and Danny Roddy titled
            "Lost Conversations with Ray Peat #1: The Purpose of Hair, Luciferianism, and Obama as a CIA Creation​

            https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/did-ray-peat-just-recommended-topical-honey-for-hair.50151/

            Looks like that episode has been nuked off the internet by the censors. Probably for that title and the discussion content.

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              LetTheRedeemed @Hearthfire
              last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 5:39 PM

              @Hearthfire brooo you came thru king.

              I'm thinking a topical spray of glucose + a pro-energy substance like t3/niacinamide/aspirin!

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                LetTheRedeemed @bot-mod
                last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 5:39 PM

                @ThinPicking right? Now I'm even more excited to try Ray's suggestion of topical glucose.

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                  LetTheRedeemed
                  last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 5:49 PM

                  @Mauritio
                  You said this in the old rpf thread above:

                  Interesting . Add a bit of T3 and caffeine to the mix and and you're good to go.
                  I already apply t3 dissolved in gin, so I might add plain table sugar and see if I notice an improvement.
                  With the t3 I notice an almost immediate improvement in hair quality and texture . Similar to the difference of a bad vs. a good hair day.

                  Did you notice anything? I'm wondering if you need to go pure glucose, not table sugar (50/50 fructose/glucose)

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                    Mauritio @LetTheRedeemed
                    last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 6:33 PM

                    @LetTheRedeemed said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                    @Mauritio
                    You said this in the old rpf thread above:

                    Interesting . Add a bit of T3 and caffeine to the mix and and you're good to go.
                    I already apply t3 dissolved in gin, so I might add plain table sugar and see if I notice an improvement.
                    With the t3 I notice an almost immediate improvement in hair quality and texture . Similar to the difference of a bad vs. a good hair day.

                    Did you notice anything? I'm wondering if you need to go pure glucose, not table sugar (50/50 fructose/glucose)

                    It definitely helps . But I switched to using Apple juice because, it has sugar as well and because of the polyphenol content. Actually I dissolved a full capsule of swansons apple polyphenols in a bit of juice and applied it to my scalp . It really made a difference , but it was such a mess to apply that I stopped.

                    Dare to think.

                    My X:
                    x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                      LetTheRedeemed @Mauritio
                      last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 7:56 PM

                      @Mauritio gotcha. Thanks for sharing

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                        wester130 @LetTheRedeemed
                        last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 8:52 PM

                        @LetTheRedeemed

                        a month ago someone mentioned topical ribose completely unconnected to this study though

                        https://old.reddit.com/r/raypeat/comments/1dlavfd/baldness_is_insulin_resistance_metformin_is/

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                          LetTheRedeemed @wester130
                          last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 10:05 PM

                          @wester130 nice, thanks for sharing

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                            LetTheRedeemed
                            last edited by Jul 30, 2024, 10:27 PM

                            @Amazoniac Yo brotha.

                            Do you have any thoughts on d-ribose supplementation? Could it have negative repercussions?

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                              Amazoniac @LetTheRedeemed
                              last edited by Jul 31, 2024, 11:00 PM

                              @LetTheRedeemed

                              From what I can remember in posting about it on the Ray Peat Forum, supplementation is safe. In support:

                              • Sub-chronic (13-week) oral toxicity study with d-ribose in Wistar rats

                              I now have a support page!

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                                LetTheRedeemed @Amazoniac
                                last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 12:39 AM

                                @Amazoniac ah ok… thanks so much for the info

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                                  Lejeboca @LetTheRedeemed
                                  last edited by Lejeboca Aug 1, 2024, 2:15 AM Aug 1, 2024, 2:10 AM

                                  @LetTheRedeemed said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                                  EDIT: "it increases NO [nitric oxide is bad for metabolism] so according to danny roddy it is le bad." - sneedful
                                  Any references indicating this to be true or false would be appreciated.

                                  This review warns against high doses of D-ribose:
                                  https://www.spandidos-publications.com/10.3892/etm.2021.9927

                                  "In addition, high D-ribose concentrations may also cause chronic diabetes complications by other means. D-ribose may glycosylate insulin to form ribosyl insulin, activate Caspase-9 and -3/-7, trigger transcription factor NF-κB and produce intracellular reactive oxygen species (ROS) that may cause cytotoxic damage to the surrounding tissues and cells, eventually leading to the manifestation of chronic complications (63)."

                                  So, I suppose, D-ribose may increase inducible NO (iNOS) by way of triggering NF-kappaB, which is a primary inflammatory response (see, e.g., pubmed here)

                                  Personally, i will avoid supplementing with D-ribose due to a possible NF-kappaB trigger, even not being a diabetic.

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                                    Ben. @Lejeboca
                                    last edited by Ben. Aug 1, 2024, 1:24 PM Aug 1, 2024, 1:23 PM

                                    there is a thread about nad+ in the other forum and some researcher posted there that he uses b3 in combination with d-ribose in his patients ...

                                    i would assume he can say more about it.

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                                      Cicero @Lejeboca
                                      last edited by Aug 2, 2024, 5:28 PM

                                      FYI, d-ribose and deoxyribose are not the same thing.

                                      https://commonchemistry.cas.org/detail?cas_rn=533-67-5
                                      https://commonchemistry.cas.org/detail?cas_rn=50-69-1

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                                        Cicero @LetTheRedeemed
                                        last edited by Aug 2, 2024, 5:34 PM

                                        @LetTheRedeemed The nitric oxide thing might explain why it works--NO is said to be what makes minoxidil work.

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                                          A Former User @OliverCloasov
                                          last edited by Aug 5, 2024, 5:35 AM

                                          @OliverCloasov no im not saying he said this particular thing i am making fun of danny’s reductionist midwit bullshit

                                          i dont know or care about what danny has to say about this particular substance.

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