Glucose loading cures everything?
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@LetTheRedeemed interesting, I hadn’t considered this, but perhaps a little coconut oil in a sweetened drink could be more stabilizing. I tend to eat lower fat, (I’ve always had trouble digesting fat-I assume it’s gallbladder related, but in my 6 years of “Peating” I haven’t been able to figure it out). My family’s solid meals always have plenty of saturated fat though, (butter, tallow, dairy, coconut) but adding to a glucose drink is a great suggestion that I’ll try. I could mix plain coconut oil in my warm milk, but how do you mix it in OJ? Do you use MCT?
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Has everyone forgotten Ray’s suggestion of eating sat fat with a sugary food to maximize timespan of stable blood sugar?
Do you have a link to him recommending saturated fat with sugary foods? I've seen him recommend fat with starch, but not with sugar.
I’d be interested in hearing the glucoose loaders try that one and see which one makes them feel better.
I don't know if I updated the thread about it, but I mentioned trying this, think it was in the fall. Without fat definitely feels better for me, at the moment.
For me it's all about exploring. RP's suggestions are not recommendations to follow like rules, they're helpful starting points for exploration.
Also aspirin with vit k to improve glucose oxidation
I appreciate a lot of Peat's work on glucose oxidation, but I find he was missing something, because so many of us haven't gotten better just follow his advice. I hope he would be curious about that, and would be curious about new research coming out.
Aspirin and vit K; sure, can be helpful interventions. But I think for me a huge part of the issue has been that my body has an imbalance in cortisol, and therefore isn't able to store much glucose.
Cortisol is needed for both glycogen -> glucose, and in the process of transforming non-carb sources to glucose. It makes me very vulnerable to low blood sugar, and the cascade of issues that follow when you are in an energy deficit routinely; HPA and HPT axis dysregulation, reactivating pathogens, toxins, hormones and heavy metals not being filtered out.
Can aspirin and vit K help? Maybe, but it's like bandages on a bullet wound. Supplementing glucose seem to actually bypass the issue/root cause, allows the immune system and liver to work better, and I hope this will lead to recovery.
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Yea, dextrose really helps managing little ones.
I remember putting about 10g dextrose in my children's 50/50 juice/water drink every morning and after a week it hit me that their morning crankiness greatly diminished.
A big take away from all this is that glucose/dextrose is way better at addressing low blood sugar symptoms than sucrose or other sweet food items.
Also front loading meals with glucose/dextrose was a good way to get food in for stubborn eaters. Idk how but dextrose 15mins before a meal made one of my one picky toddler much more open to food outside the norm.
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@evan-hinkle I throw about half a teaspoon in a 16 oz bottle of oj. I do dabs so they melt apart faster or I can suck down a clump with every couple gulps. I don’t refrigerate my oj on the day I drink it. Leave it in my car and the coconut oil melts fine. No need to mix.
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I have stopped glucose. I find it throws off my blood sugar game and didn’t see any benefit over 6 months, up to 320g per day for months.
I still think it can help others though.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I have stopped glucose. I find it throws off my blood sugar game and didn’t see any benefit over 6 months, up to 320g per day for months.
I still think it can help others though.
Sorry to hear you didn't see any benefits. May I ask how it threw off your blood sugar game?
I'm quite surprised that Dr. Stephen's had such high success rate (perhaps disputable), because I think such high levels of glucose over time would create a lot of deficiencies for people who aren't mindful of eating nutrient dense food. I feel I have to be on it to avoid deficiencies, even taking approximately 150 grams of glucose a day, but I guess it could be that I'm already at risk for deficiencies with a metabolism that's been struggling for a long time.
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On a side note: Activation of PPAR-y ramps up lipogenesis whilst blocking fatty acid oxidation. This can be a reason for depending on glucose or constantly craving carbs at low doses throughout the day and night because fatty acid oxidation is effectively switched off independent of one's diet. The widely-used substance group of sartans (telmisartan, valsartan, candesartan, losartan, olmesartan) activate PPAR-y. Although not in everyone to the same extent that would attract attention.
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@CrumblingCookie this is a super find, thank you for explaining it and doing so clearly. It may explain a lot about constant hunger.
I have a lot of folks I work with who are "always hungry" and I wonder why they are.
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@gentlepotato I had to watch for sugar crashes. I was hungrier. I found when I stopped, I stopped being "hungry all the time."
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@Ecstatic_Hamster
I assume that being hungry means I need more nutrients, not less efficient fuel. I've slept well and not felt hungry on 2500 calories before, now I need around 2800 a day to not go hungry. It makes a lot of sense, bioenergetically. 150 grams of pure glucose ramps up metabolism, but that also means one needs more nutrients.My sense is what is happening for anyone that takes glucose is that the body will start to do pending work, and that is energy consuming and takes time. I'm eating more and staying patient.
Not eating more = feeling hungry, and for some even weight gain.
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I would add some honey with dextrose (21:50 youtube video Why You May Need More Carbs in Your Diet - Interview with Georgi Dinkov (Dr Ray Peat) by Dr Mercola). Also would have some juice for minerals. If a person has malfunctioning liver, he would not tolerate fructose or sucrose, and if the person has bad digestion, he would not tolerate starches or lactose. So dextrose is helpful for very sick people. But dextrose still needs nutrients and vitamins.