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    Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”

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      wester130 @LetTheRedeemed
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      @LetTheRedeemed what does this mean for people applying topical ATP precursors to their scalp?

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        LetTheRedeemed @wester130
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        @wester130 Good q, it was implied that's bad, but I don't know beyond "immune response bad" is my assumption

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          wester130 @LetTheRedeemed
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          @LetTheRedeemed

          i think he meant direct ATP supplementation, I remember the quote, he said taking direct ATP was bad

          the precursors like coq10, ribose, creatine, magnesium malate which covnert to atp look Okay.

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            LetTheRedeemed @wester130
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            @wester130 oh wow so sorry I missed this, I thought you meant supplementation of ATP LOL.

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              Hearthfire @wester130
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              @wester130

              Some good anedotes online of people regrowing lots of hair using coq10 for extended periods.

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                wester130 @Hearthfire
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                @Hearthfire topically?

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                  Hearthfire @wester130
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                  @wester130

                  No, oral. Just regular coq10, 400mg.

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                    Mossy @Hearthfire
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                    @Hearthfire

                    Will you be using ubiquinone? In my search to find if there is a pro-Peat consensus between the two versions, I see you mention about first using ubiquinol, but planned on switching to ubiquinone. Just curious of your take on it. I also see on that thread the mention of it being good for gum health. I used to use a toothpaste CoQ10 and used to have very good gums — per a dental check up after a 12 year absence. I think I'll attempt to kill two birds — hair and gums — with CoQ10.

                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                      Hearthfire @Mossy
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                      Yes, I switched back to ubiquinone. Someone here mentioned its the superior form, even though the "mainstream" opinion is that ubiquinol is. ubiquinone is also the form those anecdotes mentioned growing back significant amounts of hair.

                      I think I said elsewhere, but I had a ton of vellus hair growth while using it. Not sure if it s the coq10 or all the other things I'm doing. I believe it is contributing.

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                        heyman
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                        Does the sugar gel work?

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                          wester130 @heyman
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                          @heyman i think a personal homemade topical ATP precursor mixture is better

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                            wester130 @wester130
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                            however chatGPT says the thing most similar to Minoxidil is

                            chamomile

                            and

                            skullcap

                            because they can both activate kATP channels

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                              heyman @wester130
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                              @wester130 I am using red light on my hair, what do you think of that?

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                                wester130 @heyman
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                                @heyman it helps

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                                  wester130 @Hearthfire
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                                  @Hearthfire have you considered the idea of blocking TGFB-1 to regrow hair

                                  something like topical losartan?

                                  https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3667/diclofenac-gel-to-regrow-hair-on-bald-head-and-beard/185?_=1768749894600

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                                    Mossy @Hearthfire
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                                    @Hearthfire

                                    Appreciate the detail. Great news on the vellus hair growth.

                                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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