Iodine as a game changer

[yerrag]

@LucH Thanks for sharing.

On @jam 's advice, I had been taking 3 drops of SSKI (supersaturated KI solution) amounting to 150mg daily for about 4 years. I was using the iodine as part of a mouthwash in 30 ml of water, and it was very effective in stopping any recurrence of periodontitis which had already claimed 5 teeth. Together with Dr. Manhart's dental protocol, I have not had to visit my dentist even for the biyearly dental cleaning aka oral prophylaxis. My dental health is great without any doubt.

The only thing I changed lately was that now I don't swallow the SSKI mouthwash and instead spit it out after the mouthwash. This wasn't because I have any issues arising from the daily intake of 150mg of iodine. I only wondered how I would do if I stopped the daily intake of 150mg of iodine. Come to think of it, I feel more fatigued lately and my test of hypothyroid thru the QTc value in my personal ECG started to show poorer results. But then, this is not certsin, and I would have to go back to SSKI supplementation to be more certain.

But Jam is of the opinion (echoing Dr. Abraham) that people showing negative sensitivity to iodide supplementation is a small minority of the general population. And if this were the case, each of us should go gingerly and carefully into doing his own trial individually to determine if he were so inclined to be negatively affected.

I know I am not one to be negatively affected. Still, I have to be careful and I am regularly checking on my ECG and my temperature. And I always have selenium supplementation on hand if and when the ugly head of hypo or hyperthyroidism should rear its head.

One thing about iodine which alone makes it invaluable is that it is antimicrobial to say the least, but to be fair, I would call it more as an antimicrobial because its action applied to fungi as well and even to the banshee otherwise known by hoaxers as a virus.

What makes it superior as an antimicrobial when used appropriately and in the right dosage is that unlike antibiotics the microbes do not develop a resistance to it. In situations where continual usage is necessary to suppress bacteria, especially those operating as a symbiotic community with other bacteria and with fungi as well - to develop super strong resistance to their containment - iodine strengthens the body's ability to fight infections that the limited nature of treatment using pharma antibiotics cannot (because of microbes becoming resistant to antibiotics).

My continual use of SSKI as a mouthwash is an example of the superiority of using SSKI to contain the ever present danger of periodontist recurring. For years and running and I have no reason to visit my dentist, not fear the gradual loss of teeth as I get older to be like my mom and dad, who in their old age needed to have a full set of dentures.

The tug of war continues between those who welcome the use of iodine and those who fear it like the plague. This will never change, and if it does in a favorable way, I will not hold my breath.

For those able and willing, and willing to take calculated risks, the use of iodine offers one a way out of depending on our medical system to solve problems for us.

There are other benefits to using iodine. Just recently, about 10 months ago, I was bitten by my cat into the area around my ankle joint. That proved difficult to heal totally because the flesh around the bone is so thin. I had to apply nightly 7% lugol's iodine and cover up the wound. It quickly (faster than other treatments) dealt with healing the wound. Antibiotics did squat.

One needs to be careful of being so trusting and reliant on what our medical experts say, who mostly depend on their own experts to tell them what works and doesn't. But after waking up from the COVID hoaxing, many and maybe most of us already know this.

Iodine is just one good substance among many. Like urea, carbogen, baking soda. And I only mention these because they so old and so cheap, and never obsolete except by training given to our conventional doctors.

[Rah1woot]

Just going to briefly comment that eating seaweed (containing lots of iodine), in a better fat like olive oil, used to consistently give me a feeling of euphoria and energy. Perhaps correcting a deficiency.

[LucH]

@Rah1woot said in Iodine as a game changer:

eating seaweed (containing lots of iodine), in a better fat like olive oil, used to consistently give me a feeling of euphoria and energy. Perhaps correcting a deficiency.

Could you tell us if you regularly ate sea fish or took a supplément before eating algae.

[Rah1woot]

@LucH No, I didn't do either of those things. I also have a background in swimming/pools which could have caused chlorine buildup issues, displacing iodine.

[LucH]

@Rah1woot said in Iodine as a game changer:

No, I didn't do either of those things. I also have a background in swimming/pools which could have caused chlorine buildup issues, displacing iodine.

Thanks. you were lucky not to suffer from dislodging chlorine.
You probably had enough Se to protect you ...
Perhaps a carrot salad with olive oil to drive halogen and LPS away?
However, make a staple after eating algae to avoid a "backdraft". Just to be sure your brain register the new environment (10 days required).

[Mossy]

@yerrag
Very interesting. I didn't realize (or I had forgotten) that you were on @Jam 's protocol. I was on that thread on RPF and was desperately wanting to be able to take SSKI for that specific reason — to avoid periodontal disease. I did test it, but as with everything I get heavy side effects. I did try both ingesting the SSKI and using it only as a mouth wash. Maybe I didn't give the latter a fair chance, and I was influenced by negative effects from ingesting it, but last I recall I did get hypo effects, i.e., crushing fatigue, after getting what I'd call a boost in physical and mental energy.

That is amazing, that you've gotten the exact results I was hoping for. On my long list of "need to try again", is SSKI.

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Iodine as a game changer:

I did test it, but as with everything I get heavy side effects.

If you felt ill last time you took iodine, I’d consider the following points:

• Iodine has killed LPS toxins. When the liver is overburdened, toxins keep turning around.
  => Chelation is required. Need olive oil to carry LPS away through feces (Pufa).
  Edit: How is LPS excreted?
  LPS administered into experimental animals circulates as LPS/HDL complex and is cleared from the blood mainly into the liver and spleen. In the liver LPS undergoes partial deacylation however without a loss of toxic activity. Its excretion is effected mainly via the bile into the gut.
  NB: Help with Betaine HCL (with pepsin and ginger),to optimize bile secretion, to avoid stagnation. I've taken Dr's Best, once a day.
• Iodine could have displaced halogens from the thyroid gland.
  Same problem to get rid of bromine, chlorine and fluorine. Except we don’t neutralize them on the same way (with side-effects, possibly including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, shock, stupor, etc.)
• 100 mcg selenium is required to protect the gland from ROS.
• If you take an unadapt amount of iodine supplement, you are going to shut the door. Neurotransmitters not well provided / stimulated. Thyroid dysfunction (Wolff-Chaikoff effect). Lack of energy, cold hands, fog, etc.
• The NIS symporters need to be opened progressively, an adaptive progression in the dose.
  I’d begin slowly (250 mcg for 7-10 days). The communication between the brain and TSH requires this staple to produce the right amount of T3 and T4.
  Afterwards, you could take +/ 10 mg (10 000 mcg) iodine. Best to have I- and IK2. Only once and I’d wait for 3-4 days to see how I react, before taking another same dose.
  Remind that the brain needs +/ 10 days to adapt the communication.
  If it’s OK (no liver problem), you can go on with 50 mg (50 000 mg). Only once, and see how you react. Same protocol.

It's all about progression / progressiveness.

Remind: Thyroid needs Mg Se I Zn to make deiodinase enzymes. Without deiodinase, the thyroid can’t function well, even if you bring NDT or a similar supplement with T3 / T4.

[Mossy]

@LucH
Thank you. I appreciated your input.

I'm not certain what percentage, if any, of SSKI is iodine, but I thought it consisted of potassium iodide. Meaning, predominantly, if not entirely, iodide.

I do not do well with supplements, and was attempting to get my Se from Brazil nuts. Do you feel this is too inconsistent, or do you know of a better food source for Se?

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Iodine as a game changer:

I do not do well with supplements, and was attempting to get my Se from Brazil nuts. Do you feel this is too inconsistent, or do you know of a better food source for Se?

Excerpt:
Those Brazil nuts aren't high selenium!
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3876/those-brazil-nuts-aren-t-high-selenium
Insr says:
Nearly all shelled brazil nuts exported for sale are from Bolivia and Peru, not Brazil. (source)
https://www.fao.org/forestry/nwfp/statistics/brazil-nuts/en
Data wasn't available on Bolivian/Peruvian nuts' selenium content, but right across the border in Brazil, in the states of Acre and Matto Grosso, brazil nuts only have about 8 mcg per nut and 10 mcg per nut respectively. The Brazil nuts in the grocery store are probably from this general region, so they probably only have this much selenium.
It's only in the Brazilian state of Amazonas, probably around Manaus, that Brazil nuts have the very high selenium content they're known for, due to differences in the soil. (202 mcg per nut) This is further to the north, a different region than the places our brazil nuts are most likely coming from.
(Source for all the Brazil data)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0045653517313711
However, unshelled Brazil nuts are mostly exported from Brazil, and Manaus, Amazonas is the main Brazil nut producing region of Brazil; so unshelled Brazil nuts probably do contain high selenium!
So for these many years, my daily (shelled) brazil nut didn't have 175% of the selenium RDA... All along it was probably a mere ~9 mcg selenium, 16% of the RDA!

Cornold says
Seems believable.
Milk, dairy, beef, and other meats, seafood and shellfish seem to be a safe bet for selenium.
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Comment LucH
When eating meat, we seldom lack selenium (as RDA +/ 55 mcg). If taking Brazil nuts, think that most of the selenium is situated in the skin of the nut. + Depending on the amount found in the soil. However, ¾ of nuts are often without a brown skin. In addition, it is a source of PUFA that I try to avoid because I try to limit them to +/ 5-6 g per day. Pro-inflammatory (AA cascade).

How much selenium
We need to separate the common supplementation from a cure (detox). For most people, think that too much of a good thing is bad. I take selenium 100 mcg 2x/wk.

When detoxifying the advised amount is 200 mcg. So, in cure.

(and even 400 mcg at the very beginning if poisoned). So, not reachable with food.

Which product?
*) Sélénium complexe Ultra 200 mcg.
365 tablets. +/ € 12.90 + shipping
Suggested use: As a treatment (ML detox) or for cancer patients.
https://www.sunday.fr/seleniumcomplexe.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiAg_KbBhDLARIsANx7wAzAPfEPET3Wz8mUB4hAf_7gNd44RxJJXpRGk_PoKPlGR3N0_DRO9foaAis8EALw_wcB
Bioactive complex with over 20 forms of selenium from organic mustard seed and selenium yeast (inactive yeast), plus bioactive sodium selenite. Tablets pressed with nanoparticle-free cellulose. Ideal combination of immediate bioactivity and prolonged depot (delayed).
• Bioactive complex with over 20 forms of selenium from organic mustard seed and selenium yeast (inactive yeast), plus sodium selenite.
• Highly dosed with 200 µg of selenium per tablet
• Including 50 µg mustard seed extract
• Including 100 µg highly bioactive sodium selenite
• Rapidly bioavailable to enzymes
• Including 35 µg of natural L-selenomethionine with depot function (delayed use).
Note: While vitamin C in small amounts (about 200 mg) is beneficial for selenium absorption, high doses of vitamin C (more than 1 g) have an inhibitory effect on selenium absorption. In this case, a one-hour intake interval is recommended.
*) Now Foods. The type I use.
Selenomethionine alone. 100 mcg. A simple choice of Selenomethionine at a great price.
+/ € 5.0 for 100 tablets at iherb.com. Free shipping for orders over €40-50.

[visalibero]

@yerrag hi yerrag!!!!! I think the definitive proof that mouthwash is as effective as ingestion can be seen after 3-6 months. you've already experienced that it works by ingesting it!