Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction
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@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Safety culture, and children being kept inside all day instead of roaming free to play.
Pretty sure Finland and Australia (iirc) begin schooling at 7 years old instead of like 3 like in US.
Also, recess and "free play" is a lot more prevalent than test-taking and analytical in-class work in those countries, I've read. To your point, I'd agree that vaccines (being mandatory in some places, too) could function to enforce rigidity / decrease free thinking (but this dovetails with medication and over-diagnosing behavioral problems at the exact same age - 5-10 yr olds which is radical and unheard of before the 1980s).
@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Vaccines are the primary cause of postwar society's dysfunction.
I disagree - they're a symptom, but also a player in maintaining societal dysfunction and governmental control.
I've seen countless people with polio (or polio-vax) related symptoms. But we're not seeing thousands of dead soldiers, or suicides, or car accidents. So many people are gone, but are still casualties. There are probably many polio vax casualties and many covid-vax casualties. But, again, vaccines are just another tool.
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@ThinPicking said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
- people listening to music all day,
It's over.
@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
are all in fact the result of mild brain damage from vaccines
@Insr I'm curious, why is that on the list?
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This theory seems far-fetched but there is another book with such a theory : The needle's secret by Marc Girardot. Marc also claims that all diseases could be due to badly injected vaccines and even gives alleged solutions to heal. I have not read it though.
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@NoeticJuice
According to the book, music (especially rhythmic) provides structure to a chaotic mind (vaccine brain damage). I think it also allows withdrawal from the real world, an escape craved by the damaged. Many autistic and ADHD people like music a lot for these reasons; they find it soothing or focusing. The book mentions many autistic people are "entranced" by music.The depressed/angsty/angry teenager (vaccine damaged) with his headphones in all day used to be a trope. Older (less vaxxed) people found this behavior strange. And it is objectively abnormal if you think about it.
The generations from boomers onward (vaxxed) seem obsessed with music, but the pre-boomers don't seem to have been so much. Certainly technology played a role in the increase in music culture, but I don't think it explains all of it. The pre-boomers that I knew liked music - playing it, dancing to it socially, listening to it performed live, but they didn't plug into it with headphones, obsess over it, or play it every day.
Somebody on twitter (i forget where) noticed those who listen to music constantly are often not doing well. This feels accurate to me.
I've experienced it myself.
I experienced some years of disordered personality and cognition which came on quickly, following some vaccines. The change was pretty extreme, inexplicable, and unlike my previous personality. It very slowly subsided over 10+ years. I'm still not fully the way I was before. But I'm kind of glad to have gotten that direct insight into vaccine damage.
Anyway, during that disordered time I listened to music constantly. Before that time I didn't listen to music all that much. And over the last years, I've listened less and less, as the rest of my symptoms decreased too. I currently don't feel any desire to listen to a lot of music. The brain-blasting genres I used to listen to (but disliked before that) mostly irritate me a little now. (And by the way, I feel now that this kind of music scrambles my brain a bit for some time afterwards. Maybe that scrambling contributed a little to my symptoms in its own right.)
And in my childhood, 10 years before the episode above, I actually had another episode of personality disorder, also soon after a vaccine, though that episode was not as long or severe as the one above. But I do remember listening to the same rhythmic music clips over and over, and I think it may have been only during that time period.
@NNight said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
This theory seems far-fetched but there is another book with such a theory : The needle's secret by Marc Girardot. Marc also claims that all diseases could be due to badly injected vaccines and even gives alleged solutions to heal. I have not read it though.
Thanks for the tip, I might check that out!
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@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
According to the book, music (especially rhythmic) provides structure to a chaotic mind (vaccine brain damage). I think it also allows withdrawal from the real world, an escape craved by the damaged. Many autistic and ADHD people like music a lot for these reasons; they find it soothing or focusing. The book mentions many autistic people are "entranced" by music.
Somebody on twitter (i forget where) noticed those who listen to music constantly are often not doing well. This feels accurate to me.
There are many other things that can cause brain damage and a chaotic mind, but there's probably some truth to the basic idea. Iirc people with depression on average listen to more music than people who are considered mentally healthy. It can be self-medication, but if a depressed person listens to depressing music, it might make the condition worse.
Being aware that song was likely used by humans for communication before language adds to (or changes) the picture.
I'm doing mentally much better now than I was around 2 years ago when I went through severe depression. I don't think I have depression anymore. But I listen to more music now than I did then. Even on the day when everything was beautiful, I still listened to music most of the day. And if I go a day without listening to music much (rare but has happened a few times), I'm fine.
It seems like I've actually become more musical as I've been improving my wellbeing, but not by increasing how much music I listen to (kind of hard to increase it over 14-16h/day). Instead, I've become more musical in the sense that I've been humming music and occasionally also singing. This just starter around 2-3 months ago and has increased since then. I didn't sing or hum before.
By the way, music can assist in healing the brain, and it's possible for brain damage to cause a lack of interest in music.
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There are many kinds of music.
Yes, some music is made by distorted minds. Such music probably can be enjoyed only by distorted minds and listening to it might compound the problem.
But there is also intelligent, healing, mind-expanding music with incredible artistic depth.
Most music falls somewhere inbetween.
Not hearing, understanding and appreciating the beauty in good music is a bigger sign of poor mental capabilities than listening to music all day.
The fact that younger generations are more drawn to music than pre-boomers is very obviously a good sign. The peak of interest in music in general population correlates with peak in average IQ I think (1980-2000?)
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Good points.
I can listen to soothing music or even white noise to lull me to sleep. I can listen to some classical to uplift my spirit, and I can listen to other to help me focus reading Peat's writings. A lot of music, including New Age, to put me in a meditative mode (though some may say it has to be in total silence).
But I don't like going out with headphones or earphones listening to whatsoever music. It tunes me out from the bustle of city life or the sounds of nature when in the woods or the mountains or by the beach or out at sea. Not to mention how I can be shut off from hearing danger whether walking or driving (with a headphone).
If music makes you live and be in the world and reminds you of the good things in life, and doesn't make us quartered into our own cubicles of fear, it helps make us whole and human. In touch with nature -man and nature and God.
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@Corngold I’m from Australia, school is mandatory from Pre-primary which is 5. But there’s no vaxx for school, just day care. I think you mean Switzerland which begins actual school work at 7?
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@GlucoseGal
What about outdoor play / recess in AUS?
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@Corngold from my own schooling experience it’s still very black and white/ test based. My friend’s children in school at age 5 have higher standards put on them than when I was in school. Expected to read a book and write sentences by 5. Seems crazy to me! But at least there’s the ability to homeschool which countries like France make it very difficult to do so.
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Millenials and Gen Z have had an enormous increase in autism. These generations ALSO have a generation-wide increase in milder autistic traits. (officially called "subclinical autistic traits" or the "Broader Autism Phenotype") You could say that most millenials/zoomers have very mild autism. This is already acknowledged jokingly, but it's real!
"[Broader Autism Phenotype] is a term indicating the presence of sub-clinical [Autism Spectrum Disorder] patterns, including poor social skills, cognitive rigidity, anxiety, and aloofness" ( https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9819561/ ) - doesn't this perfectly describe the recent generations? Don't you see these traits increasing? It seems like every zoomer has anxiety.
Autistic traits, whether full blown autism or subclinical autistic traits, are the result of brain damage which was caused by brain inflammation, which was most likely caused by vaccines.
Zoomer A's brain was very vulnerable, so he got severe autism. (perhaps 1% of male zoomers)
Zoomer B's brain was moderately vulnerable, so he got "high functioning" autism. (perhaps 4% of males)
Zoomer C's brain was less vulnerable, so he got some subclinical autistic traits. (maybe another 90% of males, to varying degrees)
Zoomer D's brain was very resilient, so he has a mostly normal brain like his great-grandfather did, and he runs laps around his damaged peers socially. (he is maybe 5% of males)
I've singled out autism and autistic traits, but ADHD, Anxiety, and Depression have all been greatly increasing too over the last generations. These are the result of brain inflammation from vaccines too, and these too have subclinical forms which are now population wide. [edit: I removed NPD from the list for now, although I feel it's vax damage related, I don't have enough info to back that up at the moment]
Much has been made of the drop in attention span, I think it's subclinical ADHD that drives it. Live in the wilderness with no screens for a year, and you'd see some improvement of course, but you wouldn't at all be cured.
Really, these named personality disorders are just ways of keeping the symptoms organized in psychology books and for insurance codes. All these named disorders are known to heavily coincide with each other. That's because it's all just different aspects of mild brain damage. You get different bits and pieces of your brain knocked out and so it varies a little what symptoms you'll have compared to someone else.
Now if disordered traits from mild brain damage suddenly appeared across the whole generation, wouldn't it manifest in the culture? Now think of the drastic changes in the culture that coincide perfectly with the vaccinated generations starting to make their presence felt.
"Poor social skills, cognitive rigidity, anxiety, and aloofness."
How much of society's increasing breakdown is due to everyone being like this, because they are a little bit autistic, a little bit brain inflamed? You can't relate to each other, you can't empathize, you can't really love, and when everyone is like this, society has to crumble.There's a hundred hot takes on twitter every day from social commentators to tell us what's wrong with our world and how to fix it (we're long past the point where we know that something is really, really wrong) - but none of these takes get to the heart of it. It isn't political or social - it's biological. It's brain damage.
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Wow. I don't think I was writing much at 5 years old. I had / have a low level dyslexia which caused me to take more time to read. In the past it caused me to have poor grades because my reading comprehension was low.
Since this is a Peat Forum I must say it's incredible to re-listen to some old interviews.
"The thing about the acceptor of action, the pictorial model of the world, is that it's always changing. There's nothing repeated."
About 21 minutes into #19 "Deep Politics" podcast with Danny and Georgi.
https://bioenergetic.life/clips/a5208?t=0&c=0This goes to the point of verbal vs non-verbal thinking and learning. The verbal muscles are exercised when met with good energy. The non-verbal muscles would also be exercised if met with strong energy.
A good argument for in person socialization as well as hands-on creative arts, in contrast to the digital-social / digital-imaginative world.
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@Insr The idea of milennials being less empathetic than previous generations is on its face absurd.
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@Insr sOcIeTy’S InCrEaSiNg BrEaKdOwN
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I've had mental wonkiness and detatchment since my earliest memories. 95% of other kids seemed normal, they had personalities, life was natural for them, laughing having fun.
My brain was fixed for two days after starting niacin. Connected to other people, feeling emotions, planning my future and looking forward to things, insomnia gone, relaxed. Then back to how I was before after two days.
It transformed me. "Autism" to normal vibrant twenty-three year old male contributing to my family and the future. Apathetic voice my whole life became enlivened, energetic, emotionally expressive for the first time, feeling like I gained a new ability within my body. Then losing this as the effect wore off.
I'm halfway in a coma.
But this experience suggests total shifts are possible even after a lifetime of certain things being dysfunctional.
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I absolutely see lowered capacity for empathy in recent generations compared to my experience of pre-boomers. Empathy is "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." I don't think people today are good at seeing things from another's perspective or being genuinely compassionate. Those seem like big deficits today.
In 1938, 1-5% of college students scored abnormally high on a scale of psychopathic deviation. In 2007, 28% of college students scored abnormally high. "High scorers on [psychopathic deviation] are narcissistic, self-centered, and antisocial"
http://www.csun.edu/~dma/Twenge, Gentile, DeWall, Ma, Lacefield, & Schurtz (2010).pdf -
@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Empathy is "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." I don't think people today are good at seeing things from another's perspective or being genuinely compassionate.
Compassion is not the only application of this proclivity Insr.
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@Insr This reflects neither my experience and the experience of my social circle, nor the reading I have done on the topic. The stories of pre-boomer fathers physically abusing their children, sometimes to the point of leaving permanent bodily harm, are super common. It seems like almost every boomer I spoke to had a father like that.
Boomers amassed huge wealth with very little effort on their part, and they have trouble understanding that no generation after them had the same opportunity. The stories of boomer fathers kicking their 18-years-old children out of the house, often leaving them literally homeless, are equally common. But you'll hear almost no accounts of physical abuse.
You will hear almost no accounts of either about Gen-X parents, and when you look at Millennial generation, you will see parents that love their children to a fault, spoiling them.
Could be some local anomaly (I live in a post-soviet country), but the global rise of ethical vegetarianism and similar movements makes me doubt that.
Also, I see some problems with the research you posted. The results of your study could mean just that psychopaths now have significantly higher chance of getting to a college, which I believe is 100% true, and is very consistent with the research showing that psychopaths have significantly higher chance of getting a high-paying job.
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What definitely changed is the way young generations show and communicate their empathy. Since some people don't understand the ways young people show empathy, they might assume young people have no empathy.
Some people think that animals are dumb because animals can't put their thoughts into words. But when you take the time and observe animal behavior, you will find that many species are smarter than an average human.
This is the same thing
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@BearWithMe said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
What definitely changed is the way young generations show and communicate their empathy. Since some people don't understand the ways young people show empathy, they might assume young people have no empathy.
Using the "Hero, Artist, Prophet, Nomad" cyclical view of generations is of some interest.
Young people may be communicating their empathy through collective struggle per the hero phase. This would relate to rising left and right socialist ideologies. It also frames struggles as impersonal and structural. But this would seem to relate to narcissism and psychopathy, which was also mentioned here:@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
In 1938, 1-5% of college students scored abnormally high on a scale of psychopathic deviation. In 2007, 28% of college students scored abnormally high. "High scorers on [psychopathic deviation] are narcissistic, self-centered, and antisocial"
I also wonder how this was measured, and how reliable the results are. What was the purpose of taking these baselines? The DSM has gone through five + iterations and each subsequent edition adds new pathologies and "disorders." I wonder if the definition has become broader?
My idea is the nomad is spartan and unsophisticated. His survival and trials leads to triumph (hero) which is also great individualism and selfishness. This eventually allows for introspection in the artist stage, after which he gains wisdom to become the prophet.
Also interesting to think about "home prices," bad economy, "digital nomads," more flying and immigration than ever before. This is certainly a period of "nomadism," just as early 1900s were for America, northern Europe, collapsing Ottoman Empire, etc.
@ThinPicking said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Compassion is not the only application of this proclivity Insr.
What are the other categories? I think "Collective struggle" maybe stems from an abstract sense of empathy with disparate people and experiences.
I believe millennials are emotionally isolated and lack an "apparatus" for meaningful empathic construction. One avenue of empathy is romantic love and family creation. This has obviously been destroyed incrementally by the pill, porn, abortion, geographic dislocation, worse economy, drugs, etc.
Another mode of empathy is social groups and friends. All of this has been monetized, event-ized, corrupted, or simply made difficult by geographic dislocation and disruption of urban / familial fabric.
