Posts made by lisan al gaib

@NotShanalotte said in Lisan-al-gaiband noodlecat59's offtopic slapfight:

@lisan-al-gaib I didn't make the rule, and I showed you since you hadn't seen it. I admitted it wasn't in my write-up and should have been.

You didn't participate in the thread. Period. The topic was diet. User VehmicJuryman has made since made the same point as you but without the antics. If you had edited your post, you could have learned from his example.

That time has passed, seeing as you've doubled down and claim you've done nothing wrong. Unfortunately you don't have DarksydePhil's luck.

Normally I'd temporarily ban you for 48 and let you cool off. However, the rule is explicit. It no longer matters about the Muhammed topic and your reaction.

I'm really only writing all this out for other users. I'll always extend my hand, even if my efforts aren't always 100% on point, even for users who may dislike me.

As for the other two users who want to argue, I'm locking this thread as it's served its purpose. I'd hate to move to my old way of doing things by chat with no transparency, but I may have to make that a case-by-case basis now.

@Andrewㅤ said in Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?:

Various sources present a description of Muhammad. He was above average in height, with a sturdy frame and wide chest. His hair, thick, black and curly. His teeth were well-spaced and pearly white. His face was described as intelligent, with a broad forehead. He had exceptionally clear glowing skin, and a sharp jawline. He is described to have a delightful natural scent which emanates from his pure being. He would walk very quickly and radiated high energy as if the earth was made easy for him.

You're either very confused or biased.

The thread is "Muhammad pbuh the original Peater", the argument is not only what he eats, it's also the characteristics he has, so the OP makes an association between Muhammad's diet and his characteristics in the Muslim lore, in the Muslim lore Muhammad married a 6 year old girl and had relations with her when she was 9, It must not be left out, because one of the arguments implicit in the OP is that Muhammad's "peaty" diet contributes to his characteristics, do you think that having sex with 9 year old girls is a resultant tendency of a "peaty" diet, or an argument to support why Muhammad is the "original Peater"?

Do you read? The user VehmicJuryman argued that Muhammad having sex slaves reduced his stress (positive association), he said nothing about the fact that he had relations with a 9 year old girl according to Muslim lore. So his comment has nothing to do with mine, it's a bad comment from which there's nothing to learn apartsi if you think sexual slavery is acceptable.

The rest is false or there IS nothing to answer everything has been said above.

@NotShanalotte said in Lisan-al-gaiband noodlecat59's offtopic slapfight:

@Razvan I remind you that there is no ruling from the admin that I must try to mediate. Zero. So my teaching example was a miss, it happens. If you've been following this situation, you should see that lisan al gaib should have been banned before I "made my mistake" about Stalin and friends due to telling another user to kill themself. Under your direction, al gaib would not have the chance to edit their message, they only have the chance because it's my personal discretion at play. This is despite their belligerence as well.

As for Stalin and friends, I perceive, think and act. I'm not convinced when Ray's best on that is "trust me bro." He was truly great in so many ways, but I don't recall him asking us to be slavishly devoted to his personal ideas. Not to even get into Lenin's own writings, or other revolutionaries like Pol Pot, whom doesn't even come up on a bioenergetic.life search.

Do you recall this post from February, Razvan? Ray warned against such things, acetylcholine use. Would you like me to ban you for that post, because you used an example I don't like? Something anti-Peat? I don't, but if I adopt your standard I must ban you.

I could shift my neutrality to your standards, for users such as you and others of the same mind. Because my examples might not suit your fancy, I'll save you/them the trouble and go straight for moderation. If I skip diplomacy, as you call it, my "personal ideas to argument decisions," that must be the result.

As for CO3 and his previous slapfighting partner, rather than ThinPicking stepping into that situation, according to the standard you desire Razvan, @CO3 would have been temp banned at minimum to stop taking the bait all the time. And yes, I'd have temp banned Norwegian_Mugabe as well for trolling. If either had resumed crapping up threads after that, I would have banned both. Both had been slapfighting and ruining threads for a long time.

Without the "personal ideas" element, all 4 of you would be banned: al gaib for threats, you for an "anti-Peat" post, and CO3 and N_M for spam/slapfighting.

You're completely wrong, first of all you invented that I "threatened" someone, I didn't threaten anyone, so it's false, suggesting to someone that he end his life in case he thinks that pedophilia is based, that's not a threat.

Secondly, ending one's life is not necessarily violent, so I didn't incite violence or threaten violence, so that's wrong.

Thirdly medical aid in dying is a thing in many countries on earth, many states in America, Canada, Europe, Australia, Asia, whether it's in the law, or whether it's ancestral traditions, so to suggest that a person has reached a stage of suffering where they can benefit from ending their life in the event that they considered it "based" to marry a 6 year old and "consume the marriage" when they are 9 years old, is neither a threat, nor an incitement to violence, nor an incitement to self harm.

0 personal attacks, everything I've said so far is legit, whether it's about you or the other guy, Implying that only bioenergetic ideas are allowed on the forum, because "bioenergetic is a whole paradigm" is dogmatism, you imply that nothing new, good, or better can come outside your idea of the "bioenergetic whole paradigm".

I didn't cause any slap fight, I specified that according to Muslim lore Muhammad married a 6 year old child, and I asked if that's peaty, the other answered something nonsensical, I explained why it was nonsensical, he answered something dumb again, I made a suggestion and stopped answering.

@Andrewㅤ said in Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?:

His regular diet consisted of foods like dates, figs, melons, honey, yogurt, milk, cheese, and grapes. He had a preference for collagenous cuts of meat such as sheep's shoulder, shanks or foreleg. Around 6000 calories coming from mostly sugars. He rarely ate grains, nuts, or seeds.

He encouraged grounding (walking barefooted) and eating together with family, friends, and companions.

Various sources present a description of Muhammad. He was above average in height, with a sturdy frame and wide chest. His hair, thick, black and curly. His teeth were well-spaced and pearly white. His face was described as intelligent, with a broad forehead. He had exceptionally clear glowing skin, and a sharp jawline. He is described to have a delightful natural scent which emanates from his pure being. He would walk very quickly and radiated high energy as if the earth was made easy for him.

I recommend adding pedophile in the description of Muhammad, according to the Muslim lore he is(sunnah, hadiths, accounts of Muhammad's life consider authentic), so that people can get an idea if Muhammad is the original Peater, and they can also answer your question knowing that.

One of the hadiths from Muhammad's life that mentions this:

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Narrated `Aisha:

that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134

@NotShanalotte said in Lisan-al-gaiband noodlecat59's offtopic slapfight:

@lisan-al-gaib I've already had an issue trying to get through to you in our last interaction. If I move a topic, it's not a moral action, it's a mechanical one. The topic is clearly about diet and the OP did not bait, you started it. I'm well aware of the facts you mention but that doesn't change that it isn't off-topic.

No one mentioned Ray either. In fact, if we're trying to make tenuous, far-reaching connections, Ray admired men like Lenin and Marx whose actions and/or beliefs are responsible for some of the greatest atrocities against mankind.

Finally, since I must, telling someone to end their miserable life is against the rules. If you edit your post to remove it and apologize, that'll be the end of it. If not, I will be obligated to ban you.

You're confused, you were just wrong about our last interaction. You implied that non-bioenergetic ideas are not allowed, because you are dogmatic and believe that bioenergetic ideas are the solution to absolutely everything.

You're wrong, the name of the post is that "Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?", part of his argument is the characteristics of Muhammad in the Muslim lore, from what i have Seen Ray peat does not promote pedophilia, according to the Muslim lore Muhammad is a pedophile, so no, Muhammad is not the "original Peater" according to the Muslim lore.
my comment is absolutely relevant and not off topic.

Did Ray Peat use the word "admiration" for Lenin and Marx, did you ever see Ray Peat say somewhere that he admired a pedophile knowing that person was a pedophile?

What rules is that against specifically? I didn't threaten him, And there are non-violent ways of ending one's own existence

@NotShanalotte said in Lisan-al-gaiband noodlecat59's offtopic slapfight:

I'll be quarantining the off-topic posts of the user's in question here.

@lisan-al-gaib and @noodlecat59 is that clear? You two can do this until you're blue in the face (or fingertips) here as a quarantine thread.

Super dumb action, the topic isn't just about diet, it's about Muhammad's diet specifically "the first Peater", and his characteristics in Muslim lore, and one of those characteristics is that he married a 6 year old girl and "consummated the marriage", when she was 9, so is he the "first Peater" if he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9? Was Ray Peat promoting pedophilia?

@questforhealth2 said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG:

@lisan-al-gaib

that does make sense. but the orangutan drinks orangutan milk not cow milk. Cow milk makes me smell very bad. I think maybe camel milk might be good or goat milk potentially

Is it raw? I've noticed a difference recently in terms of scent between raw and pasteurized milk, the raw milk I drink contributes to a pleasant armpit scent, the pasteurized milk I drink contributes to an unpleasant armpit scent

@questforhealth2 said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG:

@lisan-al-gaib

milk is meant for babies not adults. milk is meant to make a baby animal grow fast. humans are the only ones that drink milk past a certain life stage

I wonder if people would change their mind if they stopped milk for a while and went back to it

if we think about how it is meant to cause growth what if someone has a tumour. that tumour is going to grow very fast. so we can probably see how milk can cause cancer to get worse

many problems associated with animal products

According to some internet sources, orangutans drink milk up to the age of 7/9, so they're not babies.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/17/528776636/orangutan-moms-are-the-primate-champs-of-breast-feeding

Many animals continue to grow long after stopping milk, for decades, and with seasonal fluctuations, without drinking milk, growth is not only caused by milk, and I have seen no evidence that growth necessarily increases the growth of an existing tumor, have you?

Yes, animal products can contribute to symptoms, but so can plants, and no less so.

@questforhealth2 said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG:

milk will make you short. big growth spike from the hormones in the cow juice then nothing. better be vegan.

you hear people who drink a lot of milk grow super fast and get collapsed lungs

vegan children grow slowly

milk can probably also make you too tall and make you an absolute walking tumour and heart attack waiting to happen from all the smelly growth hormones

ideal height for man or woman is probably around 6 foot, not less not more. just perfect.

im going to go sit and watch my potato patch and eat beans

Cows, elephants, giraffes, camels and blue whales drink milk. Why aren't they short?

@noodlecat59 said in Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?:

@lisan-al-gaib i also didnt ever and would not ever tell you to tie your shoe with your foot instead of hands while foot is in shoe

now tie your shoe with your foot instead of your hands while your foot is in shoe

Another dumb comment, It is the stupid things you have to say, while saying that Muhammad is based when according to the sunnah, he can be considered a pedophile.

You can end your miserable existence if you find that based.

@Kilgore said in A super interesting case of high testosterone levels.:

@Norwegian-Mugabe You can have all the testosterone in the world, but if it cannot convert into DHT it's mostly useless. His body is probably incapable of incapable of doing the conversion, thus he looks like a boy.

There was this ginger who was 27 and still hasn't hit puberty. In the end they gave him testosterone but it didnt work because his body doesn't produce the 5AR enzymes that converts T into DHT. They should have given him DHT.

What do you mean it didn't work?

Did it work afterwards?

@noodlecat59 said in Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?:

@lisan-al-gaib according to Bob my neighbor you’re a dumb dumb head and you also like to poo poo and pee pee on the floor… is this “peaty”?

Irrelevant and dumb answer, I did not imply that we must necessarily consider what others claim.

hadiths(stories about the life of Muhammad)are considered by a majority of Muslims to be the truth, specifically if they have a high degree of authenticity (according to their criteria), the hadith that mentions Aisha's age of 6 or 9 has the highest tier of authenticity.

@Andrewㅤ said in Muhammad Pbuh, The original peater?:

His regular diet consisted of foods like dates, figs, melons, honey, yogurt, milk, cheese, and grapes. He had a preference for collagenous cuts of meat such as sheep's shoulder, shanks or foreleg. Around 6000 calories coming from mostly sugars. He rarely ate grains, nuts, or seeds.

He encouraged grounding (walking barefooted) and eating together with family, friends, and companions.

Various sources present a description of Muhammad. He was above average in height, with a sturdy frame and wide chest. His hair, thick, black and curly. His teeth were well-spaced and pearly white. His face was described as intelligent, with a broad forehead. He had exceptionally clear glowing skin, and a sharp jawline. He is described to have a delightful natural scent which emanates from his pure being. He would walk very quickly and radiated high energy as if the earth was made easy for him.

According to a Hadith, Allegedly he married a 6 year old girl(Aïcha), and "consumed the marriage" when she was 9, is this "peaty"?

@Insomniac said in Peating cured my bbw fetish:

@oliveoil said in Peating cured my bbw fetish:

There are accounts of people having cured their homosexuality after experiencing an increase in their testosterone levels.

Gay men usually seem really happy. They're being "cured" of happiness. What's the point?

Excitement is not necessarily happyness; in some cases they are more excited than others, without feeling any better.

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:

Mental health follows physical health.

Yes.

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in What is the most effective protocol for young men to looksmax?:

Living healthy is the correct answer. Lift weights, eat healthily, sleep long hours with a stable circadian rhythm, avoid stress, develop strong social connections, spend much time in nature, breathe properly, and keep a good posture.

Lifting weights, the way most people do it in the gym these days, is stressful, it's not healthy. It's not healthy to do or keep doing a movement if it's not physically enjoyable in that context.

@NotShanalotte said in A Small Announcement:

Generally, ideas not necessarily advocated for by Ray are allowed if they are bioenergetic.

@ThinPicking I'm mainly responding to this comment.
Implication: ideas that aren't "bioenergetic" aren't allowed, bad.

@NotShanalotte said in A Small Announcement:

@lisan-al-gaib

ThinPicking has the right idea, to grasp the essence of your questions, the easiest way is to jump in and participate.

The following is more detailed, as I want to be sure to address your questions comprehensibly, even if it mainly aids users reading this later seeking the same info. I do not wish to be patronizing.

The point is I wish to use mediation before moderation and how that would look. I could go iron fist but that tends to suppress discussion and that's the worst thing possible for a forum. I intend to only moderate, as in threadban, ban (including timeouts), and so on to resolve situations and only as needed. For a non-bot user, it would have to be a pretty big and obvious situation for me to outright ban someone without much discussion!

It's to make users comfortable with expectations and so they don't feel powerless if something does occur.

Secondly, my main concern is the need to gatekeep to a degree lest this forum lose its identity like the RayPeatForum. I can't simply act as Empress even if I were the only mod or even the admin. It's a delicate process, and I saw while lurking the RPF how destructive and chilling it was for the admin and moderator to be secretive of how they handle matters. There are even posts there where users didn't know what to report, or not, and the admin and mod just said "report it, we'll take a look, but don't backseat mod and don't question our decisions."

My attempt at transparency is to involve everyone else, in order to develop a strong social fabric where all users know they can freely speak and have expectations in order to function, but not to the point of suffocating things. Like creating our own miniature culture.

I'll try to answer your particular questions as best I can.

First question if I had to pick, it would be anyone like Ray Peat so guys that inspired him like Barnes, Selye, and so on and new guys inspired by him like Danny Roddy, Haidut and Mike Fave. People that work with the material in some way and understand it and seek to further understand it. Even an average Joe or Jane posting a study to look through suits this, to me.
Like i
f someone said "I have discovered a paper adding more nuance to serotonin, let's discuss how this might have affected Peat's ideas." then that's a great discussion starting point. Similarly, if someone asks "hey, is there anything to 'vitamin A toxicity'?" that won't be banned. Ray even warned about vitamin A and thyroid using the same transport molecule and to be careful of concurrent dosages, amounts, etc.

The point is someone causing chaos, posting mainstream talking points, not participating, etc is opening themselves to the start of moderation.

How I attempt to moderate is necessarily a reflection of the forum users. I have changed some wording in my post that should be more clear. Plus I try to encourage users to see a different perspective to avoid trouble. I might say to a user, "Do you realize all your posts look like they advertise a particular idea? With AI getting better this concerns me." Some people just get hyper-focused, it's not a big deal, but bots and shills are.

So if I see an odd influx of users trying to do that without engaging otherwise, yeah, that's called forum sliding and topic dilution. Trying to redirect established discussion, that sort of thing, is the same as spam it's just not from bots or a specific advertisement.

Or more succinctly, to use an old catch phrase, if someone is Perceiving, Thinking, and seeking how to Act, there should be no issue at all.

The last question won't affect how I moderate, but personally, yes. It saved my life. To be able to act in the world requires good health, simple as. It's not just ideas, it's a whole paradigm.

The Ray Peat forum has not become bad because other ideas than those of Ray Peat are on the forum, it has become bad because ideas that are contrary to low VA ideas are not accepted by Charlie, resulting in bans. Suggesting that ideas that aren't "bioenergetic" aren't allowed on the forum is the same thing that Charlie is doing, which is why the Ray Peat forum has become bad,
and the bioenergetic forum instantly becomes bad if this is applied.

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in A super interesting case of high testosterone levels.:

He is effeminate, but that is normal in men with extraordinarily high IQs. I think if you are above a certain threshold in intelligence, you will fail to bond with your peers which will have certain consequences. This was the case with the one guy who beat me on the Abel test (math test) at our high school. He looked and behaved very much like this guy. He still comes across as extremely healthy although he might have some developmental deviance due to childhood loneliness. Just look at the energy levels, the bone structure, the body composition, and the varied interests.

If an "extraordinarily" high IQ is associated in the majority of cases with being effeminate, then it's not extraordinary and optimal in terms of health, because being effeminate is not.

You're not specific about what you mean by intelligence, so no, overall high intelligence beyond a certain threshold doesn't necessary limit relationships, and it can improve them.

"Energy" level is positive if it's also associated with good relaxation during the day and during sleep, otherwise it's overexcitement and that's a symptom

@NotShanalotte said in A Small Announcement:

• Generally, ideas not necessarily advocated for by Ray are allowed if they are bioenergetic. However, if a user looks like they're forum sliding or spamming the same reply everywhere, I'll talk with the user to find out what's going on. I will try to be patient and allow time for a response (a day or so), but if the issue is severe, as in altering direction of, or chilling discussion, I will act more swiftly. If resolution can be found afterwards, I am open to that.

• For example, Ray never suggested larger hormonal doses especially of androgens, or use of anabolics but such threads here are perfectly fine and allowed. Broda Barnes spoke of corticosteroid use for thyroid therapy, yet Ray generally opposed it. These are examples of something bioenergetic that would be allowed

• If you have questions, please send me a chat and I'll respond next time I'm able. This is because I have asked users not to tag me for moderation reasons because that interferes with my personal use of the forum. So the use of chat keeps things private and is a nice go-between from that and Reporting.

Thanks for reading this, let's keep it virtuous and fill this forum with great posts!

What is a "bioenergetic" idea? Who defines it? Why should ideas that aren't "bioenergetic" be banned? Do you think "bioenergetic" ideas are the solution to absolutely everything?

@Emilia said in Friends:

@lisan-al-gaib some of the negatives are limited depth in relationships and lack of physical presence and activities.

Okay, you can have excellent relationships with close or distant family members, reconnect with childhood friends or friends you haven't spoken to in a long time, meet new people in the places outside your home that you go to, meet someone, and potentially have children. Also Meeting your online Friends if possible

@Emilia said in Friends:

@lisan-al-gaib I'm not finding those relationships challenging, but rather seeking advice on how to navigate a world where one's social circle consists only of virtual friends who align with one's values - I'm referring to values such as like mindedness (including an interest in Ray Peat's work), integrity, higher consciousness, self-awareness, and personal growth.

What do you think is there to navigate with a circle of virtual friends who share your values, what negatives?