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@wester130 said in L citruline - yes or no?:

Apparently it is not as bad as arginine

Beyond the question of Peatiness of L-citruline, you could try watermelon and watermelon rind to get it from food. Being that I'm incredibly sensitive to supplements, I can juice watermelon rinds with no negative effects, but taking an L-citruline supplement definitely gives me the negative effects of low blood pressure and pulse, and excess NO. Maybe the NO from L-citruline would want to be avoided, from a Peat perspective, but that I don't feel those effects from watermelon makes me less concerned.

@Corngold said in Glycine is an anti-biotic, restores sensitivity to antibiotics:

@Mauritio

Call me simple-minded but doesn't this go back to the idea of eating Jell-O? This is what our grandparents always ate when sick, but also for dessert, for lunches, etc. (50s were a different time).

What is the main difference between glycine and gelatin?

I used to make a dense Jello, in order to get daily glycine. I don't think it's a matter of a difference, but that gelatin, by way of Jello, is a way to get glycine via food. I can usually take gelatin in Jello, better than a glycine supplement; though, I can have trouble with gelatin, e.g., gut distress, digestive issues. The effects of a glycine supplement for me are much more consistent and harsh, e.g., fatigue, grogginess, irritability, to name a few, and they can last for days.

@AinmBeo said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

@Mossy
From the quali-c page:
Since 2023, our base raw material is GMO-free - wheat - from Germany which resulted in more sustainable final product which is also gluten-free​.

Thank you, AinmBeo. So Quali-C comes from Germany as well as Scotland? In my light research on it, I thought it was only from Scotland. The Doctor's Best Quali-C on amazon was noted as being from corn. At least that was the response when I searched it. Also, it probably could be argued that wheat would be susceptible to the same pollen drift, i.e., there is no such thing as non-GMO.

@LucH Thank you LucH. You always make me think about things I haven't considered.

@mostlylurking said in Trump/RFK’s health policy advisor may be a peater:

@Mossy Here's Calley Means' blog: https://calleymeans.com/blog/ He (both he and Casey?) like omega 3's and don't really understand sugar. So I don't think either of them are followers of Ray Peat.
https://calleymeans.com/2024/01/02/9-blood-sugar-hacks/
https://calleymeans.com/2024/01/02/why-sugar-is-bad/
https://calleymeans.com/2024/01/02/good-fats/

But they're trying. They just don't know what they don't know.

Good point you make at the end. Hopefully their earnest pursuits will bring them to at least consider positions against the long standing health narratives.

I am going to try this vitamin C, sodium ascorbate. Per the product details page: "Sodium Ascorbate is non-acidic (pH neutral), making it gentle on the digestive system. "

This is not derived from corn. I was interested in Quali-C, but that is derived from corn. As we've all heard by now, all corn is GMO, even if stated as not being, due to cross-pollination, pollen drift which cannot be stopped — supposedly.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GFPCO8

Does anyone have any thoughts on this "non-acidic" version of vitamin C? I like the idea of getting more sodium as well.

@LetTheRedeemed said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

just noticed I missed this comment. thanks for commenting. Have you tried it?

I have tried full and partial supplements containing acerola powder. Where the full is 100% acerola and the partial is a c-complex with about 10% acerola, As I'm a freak of nature and can't take most supplements, the acerola was no better in terms of my body accepting it. It very well may be better in quality as compared to synthetic.

@GRay said in StressNon dose/route of administration?:

However, I have decided to try again a micronized pregnenolone orally, as I think it may be the best delivery method for Pregn. Even Peat was taking Pregnenolone this way

Interesting. Please report back if you think there is anything worth sharing.

I find that no matter how Peaty advisors are, they all demonize sugar, and many carbs. As for sugar, I believe that is the case with Casey and Calley Means.

For those familiar with Barnes, is it known if these patients continued on thyroid indefinitely, after recovering from their deficient state?

I'm always curious what would happen if someone who recovered to a healthy and more productive state than they had prior, and take on more responsibilities and commitments, and then find for some reason they have to go off of thyroid, if they maintain the new found health or are back to the original?

@yerrag Hi Yerrag,

I appreciate your concern, and I think to a large degree you're justified in voicing it. For words simply published on the wild west of the internet shouldn't just be swallowed blind. Given my history of poor health and many years of trial and error with supplements, with about a 1% success rate — no matter who the advice comes from — I remain fairly open to various positions. If something is too outlandish it will usually stick out to me, and I do attempt to use Peat as a measuring rod against what I read. Though, sometimes I will stray from that where it might make sense to do so. I welcome your caution and comments, and will take them to heart as I venture forward in my healing quest.

@GRay No worries on the delay; as you see, I'm delayed myself.

It's hard for me to always follow these principles with proper understanding, but how are you concluding that the dissolved in SFA pregnenolone was oral and not topical and that it is now 10:1? By the fact that it will bypass first metabolism in the liver?

If I sound ignorant it's because I am. I try to glean what I can from all of my notes, but I end up getting lost through the twist and turns. For, as you're showing, we can hear one thing one day and something different another day. This is no knock on Haidut at all, or anyone else, I know these things are complicated, especially for those of us who have no background in biology, medicine, etc.

@Jennifer said in Thyroid Supplementation safety?:

You’re welcome, @RawGoatMilk88.

@Mossy, I started my dad on NDT and it was his first time taking thyroid, yes. Knowing that Dr. Barnes used NDT on his patients and thyroid glands were a regular part of my ancestors’ diet, I felt more comfortable starting him on desiccated thyroid. I felt so comfortable with it, I planned on supplementing it indefinitely myself after optimizing my thyroid function, to mitigate the stress of living in a cold climate and being a caregiver, and I just came across this quote by Ray the other day that supports the idea:

“[T3 for someone who's been chronically running on adrenaline?] When T3 is used in small doses, such as 3 or 4 mcg at a time, it can be very effective for lowering adrenalin by letting glucose be more fully oxidized. It’s helpful to keep a chart of your waking and midday temperature and pulse rate to watch the cumulative effects of the T3, so you can adjust the dose. A dose at bedtime typically makes it possible to go to sleep quickly; it should be supported by things like orange juice, cheese, and milk. A natural desiccated thyroid product, in the long run, is a convenient way to keep your metabolic rate where it should be.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormo

Great. Thank you. Good to know it can be used for beginners.

@Serotoninskeptic said in Glycine + N-Acetylcysteine increases lifespan by ~25%.:

@Mossy Do you have a link to the products you are referencing?

I searched for the one with proline but couldn't find it. Here is one with the glycine and NAC:

https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Encapsulations-NAC-Glycine-Powder/dp/B08WJDLHMJ

I'll continue to look for the one with proline.

@LucH said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:

@Mossy said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:

I keep an open mind — and as you know by now, ask a lot of questions.

I've be discussing the link you gave there:
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2064-why-the-odd-with-calcium-recommendation#29866
Why weird recommendations about calcium supplement?
Introduction
I had an interesting discussion with Mossy on Bioenergetics Forum about oxalates problems.
“Clearing up the confusion about oxalate lists”
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3165/clearing-up-the-confusion-about-oxalate-lists/15
But as I'm not in the best position there to speak freely, I decided to post here, to better control the deviations and digressions.

I will take a look as time allows. Thank you.

There are products available that contain this combination, and I've seen one that adds proline. I've made my own version of this, but the glycine always ends up wiping me out. And the general consensus about NAC has me hesitant to pursue it any further.

@LucH said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:

@Mossy

I have just read the randomized study on the concomitant taking of Ca and Vit D. you posted. Interesting. Thanks.
I’ll come back soon to give a report because there are biases. The author recognizes that there are “gaps” in certain studies (some parameters being not mentioned or forgotten) but he draws conclusions, even though it is well known that a higher dosage Ca should not be taken above 1000/1200 mg. In addition, the authors did not take into account all the activation factors (vitamin K2) or factors that soften/temper the effects of high dose Vit D (thanks to vitamin A, retinol).

But as you could read it, from one influent and insightful (?) forumer, the latter attributes me a copycat reasoning (IA) and a lack of knowledge of RP literature. I agree to concede to him that he has a better grasp / understanding of the “philosophy” of RP’s writings. My knowledge is only partial. And I maintain a certain independence. Too long to explain why here. And I don't really want to argue (sterile and unpleasant).
By the way, my forum has been existing for more than 10 years, and AI is only available from 2 years, less here in Europe.

No hard feelings, but the one_whose_name _I _won't _mention has just dropped in my esteem. What a pity! But hey, I can admit that we all have bad days, except that it's not his first time, when he has someone in his sights.
NB: I intended first to analyze the whole study but I won't do it now. Guess why ...

It's very hard to understand the workings of the body in general, let alone the unique state each of us are in, and what it would take to truly help and rejuvenate us to a better state, one that would objectively take us over the threshold from subpar to flourishing. So, I keep an open mind — and as you know by now, ask a lot of questions. For those of us who are not doctors or scientists, we wing it and go with the anecdotal experiences of ourselves and others, as well as doing our due diligence in research and gaining more expert knowledge. So, I don't expect all that I read on forums will be the last word and the best advice. But hopefully at some point our understanding will grow and our hunches and educated guesses will lead to more reliable and fruitful results.

@wrl I realize many people have concerns about microwaves — I used to be one of them — and that there are many tests that seem to show that they are bad, but many who have used them live fairly normal and long lives. I think it would be smart to not use plastic when you use one, and to not stand directly in front of it when it's running.

@Tarzan17
Ray Peat had no problem with microwaves and didn't think they affected the nutrients of food:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-iUZso6ieU

@Jennifer said in Thyroid Supplementation safety?:

@RawGoatMilk88, when someone has heart disease, my first suspicion is hypothyroidism, and I put my own father on thyroid after he had bypass surgery. Dr. Broda Barnes observed a 94% reduction in coronary heart disease in the 1,569 patients he treated for hypothyroidism using desiccated thyroid. Here is a quote by Ray you might find useful:

“If someone is in a precarious condition, even smaller amounts of thyroid at a time might be better. For example, a man in the hospital right after a heart attack started taking one mcg per hour; the doctors had said that at the rate his enzymes were rising they would be expected to keep rising for another day, but they started decreasing exactly when he started the small doses, and they had decreased the next day when he left the hospital, without symptoms. T3, sugar, and aspirin are the most heart-protective things.”

https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges#Thyroid_Hormones

Hey Jennifer, I'm curious if you started your father right away on the NDT, with the 4:1, T4:T3 ratio, and if that was his first time on it? I ask after listening to Danny Roddy mention that some may have to work up to the ratio of NDT, starting with only T3, or a 1:1 ratio of T4:T3. If you had success right off the bat with the NDT, maybe it is worth jumping right into it. I ask as I prepare myself and my father for possible thyroid supplementation.