Posts made by NotShanalotte

@lisan-al-gaib I've already had an issue trying to get through to you in our last interaction. If I move a topic, it's not a moral action, it's a mechanical one. The topic is clearly about diet and the OP did not bait, you started it. I'm well aware of the facts you mention but that doesn't change that it isn't off-topic.

No one mentioned Ray either. In fact, if we're trying to make tenuous, far-reaching connections, Ray admired men like Lenin and Marx whose actions and/or beliefs are responsible for some of the greatest atrocities against mankind.

Finally, since I must, telling someone to end their miserable life is against the rules. If you edit your post to remove it and apologize, that'll be the end of it. If not, I will be obligated to ban you.

@mavuue I had that with zinc supplements, but not zinc-rich foods. I haven't taken a zinc supplement in years because the type and dosage didn't seem to matter as far as the negative effects.

I'll be quarantining the off-topic posts of the user's in question here.

@lisan-al-gaib and @noodlecat59 is that clear? You two can do this until you're blue in the face (or fingertips) here as a quarantine thread.

Let's stay on topic here @lisan-al-gaib @noodlecat59

The topic is about diet, let's stick with that.

@the-MOUSE I can assure you, having family that's done agriculture since coming to the States, that the industry has done it to themselves. Refrain further from using ethnic groups as catch-all terms for your disapproval.

@questforhealth2 No one mentioned junk food, and your response is begging the question anyways. Your perspective could be valuable, but you're taking things too personally. I'm not taking moderator action, I'm just asking you to consider what and how you're saying it.

In your other topic you're wondering about social isolation, and my response would be, like anything else, "practice."

@questforhealth2 Vegan children are often underdeveloped.

There's something to be said for not growing to tall. I'd like to get back to reading about that, but the few studies I've read indicate health issues the taller someone is than 5'11" or 6'0" depending on the study.

Personally, I get most of my calories from whole milk, cheese, butter, and potatoes. I have muscle meat when I feel like it, maybe once or twice a day.

@Kilgore More to the topic, vitamin K2 doses of 15-45mg three times a day is the best guess I have based on the studies I've read. Perhaps 5000 IU vitamin D3 if blood levels indicate it. IME the trick is to get enough calcium which I've never formally measured.

I'm somewhat older than you and have had catch-up growth of about an inch and a quarter in the last 6 months, but I have used T3 as well so YMMV without it.

Probably the two easiest things was coffee/caffeine and well-cooked potatoes. The former for mitochondrial uncoupling, the latter for numerous nutrients. I didn't see any progress until adding the potatoes. I don't tolerate beans. Digestive-wise, it ended up being a bit chicken-and-egg getting enough nutrition to heal and fully tolerate the food.

@doomerzoomer this isn't 4chan, I moved your post to the Trashheap in the Junkyard subsection. If you had a point to make, you're free to post a new response without the edgelord factor.

@lisan-al-gaib

@ThinPicking has once again been a big help here, props to him. He's already showing how we want to do things without actually exercising moderation powers. Diplomacy, discussion, that sort of thing.

I used examples in my posts showing what constitutes discussion and what wouldn't. For the third time, these are not rules. They are how I will, tentatively, moderate, while seeking the input of the other mods so we can be a good team that serves the forum.

I've had reports about certain things being "anti-Peat" and resolved those Reports as complete without action, opposite to how you're taking my meaning. Rather than single users out, I wanted to do a write-up to clear the air for everyone.

The last thing I want is for a user to feel attacked. My experience dictates these sorts of write-ups despite how tedious they can be to both write and read. If I didn't think I needed to do this, I wouldn't.

Also props to @DavidPS, use the Junkyard like he said. If needed I or another mod can move things to the correct section, it's not a big deal.

The overarching theme is discussion of ideas, not selling them. Have you seen how Garret Smith interacts on Twitter/X? If not, he's rude, boisterous, talks down to others, insults Ray and those who honor him, and much more. IOW his actions would be mainly under scrutiny here, not questions/concerns about vitamin A.

I can't be more clear than this. Disruptive posters will be talked with for mediation before any real actions is taken, especially because bots are becoming more convincing. Bans are the last thing I do except for obvious situations like spam and advertising accounts.

@noodlecat59 Sure, depends on what you're looking for and if you find it. I've used several so if you have something more specific in mind I'll send it your way.

@yerrag Frequencies would be closest to Binaural Beats. The difference is they don't need the brain synchronization.

For now a "Master thread" either here or the Esoteric subsection would be fine and if there's feedback I'll move the topic (esp. form our admin) to the correct section.

Creating a whole new section, if there is enough interest, would be up to Brad. He would have to do and okay it as admin. Plus there'd need to be enough activity beyond a thread to justify a whole subsection. We'll see what happens.

@LetTheRedeemed asked about this in a different thread, so I thought I'd do a mini guide for morphic fields but also what isn't a morphic field. For now I am posting this in Not Medical Advice for two reasons: this isn't medical advice, though morphic fields can be used that way; and morphic fields deal directly with structure/function.

Morphic fields are sometimes also called morphogenetic fields.

Rupert Sheldrake is probably the best name to check out, see the block quote below for his introductory summary.

First, to prime the pump, I'll briefly detail other techniques used alongside or sometimes mixed up with, but are not, morphic fields. I say "upload" because all the free ones I've found are on youtube.

An upload can have subliminals, which are just what they sound like. These don't tend to work on me for various reasons, but others like them. There is no fancy explanation, it's just words and phrases the creator of the upload chose to use the power of suggestion to change their listeners in some way.

An upload can also have different colored noise. The one we're most familiar with is white noise, which is all hearable frequencies. I've used pink noise to sleep better; pink is deeper sounding. Brown noise is more like a rumbling and I don't like it much. The main idea is how humans react to each kind of noise, as each has their own properties, though there is some disagreement over exact properties and what they can do.

Binaural beats were once much more popular from my experience, that is, two different tones, one in each ear, that synchronize in the brain to create an effect. I don't dabble in this really, and only incidentally use binaural beats if it's in an upload from a creator that also uses other techniques.

According to Sheldrake (source)

 The hypothesized properties of morphic fields at all 
levels of complexity can be summarized as follows:

1. They are self-organizing wholes.

2. They have both a spatial and a temporal aspect, and 
organize spatio-temporal patterns of vibratory or rhythmic 
activity.

3. They attract the systems under their influence 
towards characteristic forms and patterns of activity, 
whose coming-into-being they organize and whose 
integrity they maintain. The ends or goals towards which
morphic fields attract the systems under their influence 
are called attractors. The pathways by which systems 
usually reach these attractors are called chreodes.

4. They interrelate and co-ordinate the morphic units 
or holons that lie within them, which in turn are wholes 
organized by morphic fields. Morphic fields contain other 
morphic fields within them in a nested hierarchy or 
holarchy.

5. They are structures of probability, and their 
organizing activity is probabilistic.

6. They contain a built-in memory given by self-resonance 
with a morphic unit's own past and by morphic resonance 
with all previous similar systems. This memory is 
cumulative. The more often particular patterns of activity 
are repeated, the more habitual they tend to become. 

An example would be when Ray Peat talked about thyroid producing order in the organism. A sick cell would have a disordered field, but a cell with optimal thyroid would have an orderly morphic field. And then this extends to the organism at large, a greater morphic field around those fields.

So by using a stand-alone field, the user is influencing their own morphic field(s) in some specific way. From something as basic as eye color, to experimental attempts to grow taller by reopening growth plates.

A creator on youtube like Binaural Nutrition! uses many or all of these techniques together depending on the specific upload. He focuses on steroids and other fields such a peptides, recovery fields for lifting, and enhancing masculine traits. Some of his older uploads don't even have the morphic component. He's an interesting case because his followers say even his old uploads without the morphic component work.

So the idea behind using a stand-alone morphic field is to influence what already exists, but this depends on the quality of the field and the state of the organism in terms of results and time frame to see those results.

@DavidPS I like your quote choices. "I know it when I see it, but do others?" would be a good way to sum up my second post. Longer than I'd like but I do try to be thorough and transparent.

@LetTheRedeemed I've thought of making a thread about such things here on the forum. It's fascinating stuff and I've had indisputable results from competent creators. Searching "morphic fields" on youtube will give you an idea of what's out there, but quality varies by channel/creator. Avoid Sapien Medicine, who has proudly stated on his forum that he uses Chaos Magick, which stems from Satanism. My personal experience with his work before learning this was certainly evil.

@lisan-al-gaib

ThinPicking has the right idea, to grasp the essence of your questions, the easiest way is to jump in and participate.

The following is more detailed, as I want to be sure to address your questions comprehensibly, even if it mainly aids users reading this later seeking the same info. I do not wish to be patronizing.

The point is I wish to use mediation before moderation and how that would look. I could go iron fist but that tends to suppress discussion and that's the worst thing possible for a forum. I intend to only moderate, as in threadban, ban (including timeouts), and so on to resolve situations and only as needed. For a non-bot user, it would have to be a pretty big and obvious situation for me to outright ban someone without much discussion!

It's to make users comfortable with expectations and so they don't feel powerless if something does occur.

Secondly, my main concern is the need to gatekeep to a degree lest this forum lose its identity like the RayPeatForum. I can't simply act as Empress even if I were the only mod or even the admin. It's a delicate process, and I saw while lurking the RPF how destructive and chilling it was for the admin and moderator to be secretive of how they handle matters. There are even posts there where users didn't know what to report, or not, and the admin and mod just said "report it, we'll take a look, but don't backseat mod and don't question our decisions."

My attempt at transparency is to involve everyone else, in order to develop a strong social fabric where all users know they can freely speak and have expectations in order to function, but not to the point of suffocating things. Like creating our own miniature culture.

I'll try to answer your particular questions as best I can.

First question if I had to pick, it would be anyone like Ray Peat so guys that inspired him like Barnes, Selye, and so on and new guys inspired by him like Danny Roddy, Haidut and Mike Fave. People that work with the material in some way and understand it and seek to further understand it. Even an average Joe or Jane posting a study to look through suits this, to me.
Like i
f someone said "I have discovered a paper adding more nuance to serotonin, let's discuss how this might have affected Peat's ideas." then that's a great discussion starting point. Similarly, if someone asks "hey, is there anything to 'vitamin A toxicity'?" that won't be banned. Ray even warned about vitamin A and thyroid using the same transport molecule and to be careful of concurrent dosages, amounts, etc.

The point is someone causing chaos, posting mainstream talking points, not participating, etc is opening themselves to the start of moderation.

How I attempt to moderate is necessarily a reflection of the forum users. I have changed some wording in my post that should be more clear. Plus I try to encourage users to see a different perspective to avoid trouble. I might say to a user, "Do you realize all your posts look like they advertise a particular idea? With AI getting better this concerns me." Some people just get hyper-focused, it's not a big deal, but bots and shills are.

So if I see an odd influx of users trying to do that without engaging otherwise, yeah, that's called forum sliding and topic dilution. Trying to redirect established discussion, that sort of thing, is the same as spam it's just not from bots or a specific advertisement.

Or more succinctly, to use an old catch phrase, if someone is Perceiving, Thinking, and seeking how to Act, there should be no issue at all.

The last question won't affect how I moderate, but personally, yes. It saved my life. To be able to act in the world requires good health, simple as. It's not just ideas, it's a whole paradigm.

@Kilgore and @ThinPicking what do you think? I wanted to take the initiative but should have tagged you two in at the beginning and I apologize for that. Please leave me a chat or a message here if there's something you'd change. It's not to make new rules, but how we'll handle moderation and it's best if we're in agreement. Users handling themselves will always be the expectation and further that we only step in with moderation powers when needed. IME, many forum users aren't familiar with forum sliding and other disruption tactics which was my main focus.

In the interest of transparency, I'd like to detail a few ways I intend to handle unspecified rules from now on. When possible, I will not (immediately) use moderator powers, because I don't want to have a chilling effect on discussion.

I have bolded the most important parts for convenience. I don't really think these things will be an issue, but it can't hurt for me to be clear.

Remember, our admin Brad has asked that we handle ourselves well, that we self-moderate and treat each other and bioenergetic ways tactfully and with respect.

• I intend to be more vocal about slap-fighting, peacocking, that sort of thing, viewing it the same as spam. For such users, both will be asked to stop and if needed, block each other. This is not a forum for rivalries that are unproductive, and it takes two to tango. I will reserve threadbanning as a temporary way to sort things out or for truly disruptive users, if I ever need to use it. Competing bioenergetic ideas are fine and expected, such as coconut oil vs stearic acid. Those sorts of discussions push forward good ideas and help weed out bad ones.

• Generally, ideas not necessarily advocated for by Ray are fine if they are bioenergetic. However, if a user looks like they're forum sliding or spamming the same reply everywhere, I'll talk with the user to find out what's going on. I will try to be patient and allow time for a response (a day or so), but if the issue is severe, as in altering direction of, or chilling discussion, I will act more swiftly. If resolution can be found afterwards, I am open to that.

• For example, Ray never suggested larger hormonal doses especially of androgens, or use of anabolics but such threads here are perfectly fine and allowed. Broda Barnes spoke of corticosteroid use for thyroid therapy, yet Ray generally opposed it. These are examples of something bioenergetic that are expected. remember, this isn't a hard and fast rule, it is to address questions I've gotten about and seen.

• If you have questions, please send me a chat and I'll respond next time I'm able. This is because I have asked users not to tag me for moderation reasons because that interferes with my personal use of the forum. So the use of chat keeps things private and is a nice go-between from that and Reporting.

Thanks for reading this, let's keep it virtuous and fill this forum with great posts!

@Jakeandpace That's really cool! I saw it on X but hadn't tried it yet, good to see your experience using it.

@constipated You know the old saying, "What's in a name?" Therein lies the answers you seek.