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Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”

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    Gaston @LetTheRedeemed
    last edited by Sep 30, 2024, 2:44 AM

    @LetTheRedeemed I don't want to influence you too much because I'm honestly not very knowledgeable. You can continue using urea; just make sure to report back to us if it seems to harm your hair density.

    I'm getting slight regrowth on my temples, but that could be due to a dozen different factors.

    I use C-Salts Buffered vitamin C. I can't recommend it for any particular reason, it's just what I've always used.

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      LetTheRedeemed @Gaston
      last edited by Sep 30, 2024, 7:06 AM

      @Gaston gotcha. Thanks for sharing.

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        serotoninskeptic @Hando-Jin
        last edited by Sep 30, 2024, 10:21 AM

        @Hando-Jin Do you have a quote?

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          wester130 @serotoninskeptic
          last edited by Sep 30, 2024, 12:16 PM

          did anyone buy it from ebay?

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            Moonpeat @LetTheRedeemed
            last edited by Jan 22, 2025, 11:45 PM

            @LetTheRedeemed Have you seen any improvement since your last update?

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              Hando-Jin @serotoninskeptic
              last edited by Feb 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

              @Serotoninskeptic

              "Ray Peat: I've been thinking that with a concentrated glucose solution, you could probably activate hair growth just by keeping your scalp moistened with glucose."

              https://dannyroddy.substack.com/p/lost-conversations-with-ray-peat

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                LetTheRedeemed @Moonpeat
                last edited by Feb 6, 2025, 5:39 PM

                @Moonpeat, hey, I essentially gave up after 3 weeks. I realized that as much as I may not like it, I have more pressing health issues to fix first

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                  Mauritio
                  last edited by Mar 9, 2025, 4:55 PM

                  I want to mention the anti-prolactin angle again on this thread.
                  I think applying an anti-prolactin chemical topically to the scalp , should be very effective.
                  I'm thinking about lisuride, bromocriptine or 5aDHP, which isn't just anti-prolactin but also a progestogen so even better.

                  Dare to think.

                  My X:
                  x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                    Gaston @Mauritio
                    last edited by Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

                    @Mauritio I've been applying bromocriptine to my scalp on an irregular basis for quite awhile and I can't say that it's produced any miracles.

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                      Mauritio @Gaston
                      last edited by Mar 10, 2025, 8:25 PM

                      @Gaston Ok.
                      I've even wondering about topical lidocaine as well. It is anti prolactin and anti inflammatory .

                      Dare to think.

                      My X:
                      x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                        wester130 @Mauritio
                        last edited by Mar 11, 2025, 2:05 PM

                        @Mauritio said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                        lidocaine

                        would a gel work?

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                          Mauritio @wester130
                          last edited by Mar 11, 2025, 7:34 PM

                          @wester130 not sure , what are the exact ingredients ?

                          Dare to think.

                          My X:
                          x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                            wester130 @Mauritio
                            last edited by Mar 11, 2025, 11:05 PM

                            @Mauritio

                            alcohol, clove oil, glycerol, hydroxypropyl cellulose, sodium
                            saccharin, Ponceau 4R (E124) and purified water.

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                              Mauritio @wester130
                              last edited by Mar 13, 2025, 11:03 AM

                              @wester130
                              I would simply use lidocaine dissolved in water since it's widely available in most countries.

                              Have you tried the NMN topically ?

                              Dare to think.

                              My X:
                              x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                wester130 @Mauritio
                                last edited by Mar 13, 2025, 2:28 PM

                                @Mauritio i think menthol anhd liodcaine share some properties

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                                  Mauritio @wester130
                                  last edited by Mar 13, 2025, 8:25 PM

                                  @wester130 what kind of answer is this ? Lol

                                  But since we're taking menthol it has some anti testosterone/estrogenic effects

                                  https://bioenergetic.forum/post/38971

                                  Dare to think.

                                  My X:
                                  x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                    wester130 @Mauritio
                                    last edited by Mar 13, 2025, 11:38 PM

                                    @Mauritio could you use anbesol?

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                                      Mauritio @Mauritio
                                      last edited by Mar 14, 2025, 11:10 AM

                                      @Mauritio said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                                      Have you tried the NMN topically ?

                                      @wester130

                                      Dare to think.

                                      My X:
                                      x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                                        wester130 @Mauritio
                                        last edited by Mar 14, 2025, 1:12 PM

                                        @Mauritio yes, not sure it did anything

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                                          Mauritio @Hando-Jin
                                          last edited by Mauritio Mar 15, 2025, 11:35 AM Mar 15, 2025, 9:21 AM

                                          @Hando-Jin said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                                          @Serotoninskeptic

                                          "Ray Peat: I've been thinking that with a concentrated glucose solution, you could probably activate hair growth just by keeping your scalp moistened with glucose."

                                          https://dannyroddy.substack.com/p/lost-conversations-with-ray-peat

                                          "...excessive glucose is able to increase the expression of hair inductive genes and elongation of hair shaft."
                                          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7078220/

                                          In the above study they used a concentration of 10mM to boost hair growth and mimick excessive glucose . That is just 180mg per 100ml . The issue is that the hair shaft sot relatively deep in the scalp and not much /everything will reach the shaft so to account for the loss i would go for 50mM or approximately 1g or 1% of glucose per 100ml .

                                          EDIT : just saw they used d-glucose aka Dextrose . I wanted to use sucrose (table sugar) but I don't think sucrose can substitute as the scalp lacks the enzymes to split up table sugar into glucose and fructose and sucrose is a much bigger molecule, making absorption even trickier

                                          On top of that i would use 30% percent alcohol and 10% propylene glycol which sterilize the solution and help absorption and penetration. This is inspired by the formula of Minoxidil, which seems to be absorbed well.

                                          So the updated formula would look like this :

                                          30% ethanol
                                          10% propylene glycol
                                          1% NMN
                                          1% Apple polyphenols
                                          1% of dextrose
                                          Rest: Water

                                          (add taurine ,caffeine,... to your liking)

                                          Total Solids:

                                          • Dextrose: 1 g
                                          • Apple Peel Polyphenols: 1 g
                                          • NMN: 1 g
                                          • Total: 3 g

                                          Total Liquids:

                                          • Water: 70 mL
                                          • Ethanol: 20 mL
                                          • Propylene Glycol: 10 mL
                                          • Total: 100 mL

                                          @Gaston

                                          Dare to think.

                                          My X:
                                          x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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