Glucose loading cures everything?
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@S-Holmes do you have a food source for glucose? Or will you be plucking dextrose pills for life?
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Thanks @S-Holmes and @gentlepotato, your replies show alot of care and i really appreciate that :).
Thats really interesting about how Ray Peat says tinnitus is from dysbiosis in the gut, i will look into his work on this.
Thanks @gentlepotato i think you are right that i struggle to keep my blood sugar high enough through the night. During the day i eat very regularly to make sure my blood sugar stays up, but the night i am definitely still having problems with. Iv tried a few things to get me through the night without waking, and i think milk and honey with some fruit at bedtime gave my best results. Actually the glucose supplementation iv done recently has worsened my sleep i think because maybe its entering and exiting the blood too quick. Have you had any luck with anything to keep your blood glucose up through the night?
Im now trying to use the glucose supplementation in an intuitive way, like first thing in the morning or if symptoms show up.
Thanks also for the experience on how important blood sugar regulation is, it gives me hope im on the right track. Trying to work out the different effects of sucrose, glucose, fructose and lactose atm.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes do you have a food source for glucose? Or will you be plucking dextrose pills for life?
I use glucose in powdered form. The ultimate goal is to heal completely so you're able to get enough from food, but that varies with age and the magnitude of one's illness. I hope to be able to go on a lower maintenance dose in time. Stress and aging will burn through it faster, so I'll use it on an "as needed" basis.
Dr Stephens says that glucose is more, or just as, important to the body as water and oxygen. If your body doesn't have the ability to efficiently convert food to fuel, straight dextrose/glucose seems to be the best option.
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@josh We (husband and I) have glucose in cocoa before bed and that seems to help us get better sleep. Having some glucose water (or Smarties candy tablets) beside the bed in case blood sugar drops should also help.
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Did nobody here get blood sugar drops from glucose? I only tested it a couple of days like 3 or 4 times a day just 5g dextrose. Always felt good but after like half an hour get a heavy blood sugar drop afterwards. What does this mean? To low of a does the body need some time to adopt?
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@Mr-X said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Did nobody here get blood sugar drops from glucose? I only tested it a couple of days like 3 or 4 times a day just 5g dextrose. Always felt good but after like half an hour get a heavy blood sugar drop afterwards. What does this mean? To low of a does the body need some time to adopt?
I don't do well with glucose on an empty stomach, and yes, there is an adjustment period. But it looks like your starting dose was very low. You need about 30 grams per bolus to begin with. If you choose to go the Mercola route, you need to keep the glucose coming all day long rather than 3 or 4 doses a day recommended by Dr Stephens. Hope that makes sense.
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Thanks @S-Holmes, when you started did you put 30g dextrose in your hot chocolate? Do you use a lesser dose now you are more used to it?
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@josh said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Thanks @S-Holmes, when you started did you put 30g dextrose in your hot chocolate? Do you use a lesser dose now you are more used to it?
I use 3 Tbsp. That's ~30 grams. Also, glucose/dextrose is less sweet than sucrose so 30 grams is just right (for me). Rather than using a lesser dose you have to increase the doses with glucose therapy until symptoms subside.
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@S-Holmes interesting. Are you looking into why the liver could be having trouble getting glucose from food? It's not too hard to get glucose from rice or fructose (most fruit sugars are 40% glucose already, and with a decent liver, converting fructose to glucose isn't too hard, no?).
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes interesting. Are you looking into why the liver could be having trouble getting glucose from food? It's not too hard to get glucose from rice or fructose (most fruit sugars are 40% glucose already, and with a decent liver, converting fructose to glucose isn't too hard, no?).
Stress, aging, illness, injuries are known as glucose limiting events, and they are cumulative. So not getting enough glucose from food is apparently common, and even more of a problem as we age. I can't explain how this happens, but eating a normal healthy diet, and even avoiding seed and nut oils for nearly 20 years, did nothing for my temperature (how I gauge my thyroid health).
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@S-Holmes I get it... sorry not trying to come across as grilling you
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes I get it... sorry not trying to come across as grilling you
No worries!
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I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
- Cut back a little and work up slowly. 2) Take homeopathic Nux vomica 30C or homeopathic Ipecac 30C as needed. 3) Mix it in carbonated water. 4) Have some food with your dose.
- Take smaller more frequent doses.
I sometimes need to do all of the above. I also take my doses in organic chocolate milk or lime/lemon water.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm experiencing stomach upset with all this glucose. I did 25g X 4 yesterday. Any advice?
- Cut back a little and work up slowly. 2) Take homeopathic Nux vomica 30C or homeopathic Ipecac 30C as needed. 3) Mix it in carbonated water. 4) Have some food with your dose.
- Take smaller more frequent doses.
I sometimes need to do all of the above. I also take my doses in organic chocolate milk or lime/lemon water.
There's a glitch in my reply. I tried to fix it but didn't work.
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@S-Holmes thank you!!!
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Just an update to chime in. Dextrose has absolutely been the most effective thing I’ve done for my overall wellbeing. I was one of those “it took everything in me each day not to pick a fight with everyone types” and this has resolved 100%. It’s gone, I’m incredibly resilient to stress, and it takes exponentially more stress to agitate me now. If this is all I gain, it’s life changing.
I seem to have better glycogen storage and can go without eating longer. I used to have to snack all day to keep stress at bay and especially to keep my temper in check.
Something I’d like to see change is my tinnitus, no change there…
How I’m doing it: I take relatively large doses at different intervals during the day and taper the doses into evening. For instance, I have 4 tablespoons in 8oz on coffee in the AM, then another 4 tablespoons in a second 8oz of coffee, (this is the extent of my coffee consumption-which again is life altering from the 6-10 cups I drank in the past). I then follow the two coffees with 16oz skim milk with another 4 tablespoons of dextrose. This is a typical “breakfast” if I hungry I may have a few slices of sourdough. So a total of 12 tablespoons that I “front-load” in the AM.
I then no longer need to snack between breakfast and lunch. At lunch I flex between solid food with a beverage with 4 tablespoons of dextrose, or a giant smoothie with 4 tablespoons.
I typically have a smoothie with 4 tablespoons of dextrose around 3pm. Sometimes I don’t feel like I need it.
At dinner I will either add 2-4 tablespoons to my meal, or drink a beverage afterwards with 2-4 tablespoons.
Somewhere before bed I’ll have a snack where I add 2 tablespoons.
On days where I lift weights, (3 days a week) I drink 16oz of a beverage with 8 tablespoons of dextrose, (I sip it between sets, and finish it when I complete the workout).
Recently I decided to take a break from all supplements and I feel pretty good. I may add some back in, but I didn’t lack energy or motivation, (I feel much more resilient).
As a total side note, I’ve looked into fruits with higher ratios of glucose to fructose and I’m finding these fruits to be much more digestible for me, (and I just seem to enjoy them more as well).
So I’m not sure where to go from here. I am sold, this, for me, seems to be a missing link. I always had the same repetitive pattern with bioenergetic substances, (work briefly, eventually stop, lead to constipation). Glucose eliminates the need to balance supplements to avoid that cycle. I would LOVE to eliminate tinnitus, but I’m not sure how much dextrose would be needed to do this. I know Dr Stephens says to up the dose until symptoms subside, but I think I’d like to speak directly to him or someone else before I start pounding more than 8 tablespoons in a single dose, (who knows, maybe I’ll feel confident at some point in the future to expiriment this way).
I think some of us simply don’t convert carbs into glucose, and at least for me, no volume of fruit, starch, or thyroid medicine closed that gap.
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@evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Just an update to chime in. Dextrose has absolutely been the most effective thing I’ve done for my overall wellbeing. I was one of those “it took everything in me each day not to pick a fight with everyone types” and this has resolved 100%. It’s gone, I’m incredibly resilient to stress, and it takes exponentially more stress to agitate me now. If this is all I gain, it’s life changing.
I seem to have better glycogen storage and can go without eating longer. I used to have to snack all day to keep stress at bay and especially to keep my temper in check.
Something I’d like to see change is my tinnitus, no change there…
How I’m doing it: I take relatively large doses at different intervals during the day and taper the doses into evening. For instance, I have 4 tablespoons in 8oz on coffee in the AM, then another 4 tablespoons in a second 8oz of coffee, (this is the extent of my coffee consumption-which again is life altering from the 6-10 cups I drank in the past). I then follow the two coffees with 16oz skim milk with another 4 tablespoons of dextrose. This is a typical “breakfast” if I hungry I may have a few slices of sourdough. So a total of 12 tablespoons that I “front-load” in the AM.
I then no longer need to snack between breakfast and lunch. At lunch I flex between solid food with a beverage with 4 tablespoons of dextrose, or a giant smoothie with 4 tablespoons.
I typically have a smoothie with 4 tablespoons of dextrose around 3pm. Sometimes I don’t feel like I need it.
At dinner I will either add 2-4 tablespoons to my meal, or drink a beverage afterwards with 2-4 tablespoons.
Somewhere before bed I’ll have a snack where I add 2 tablespoons.
On days where I lift weights, (3 days a week) I drink 16oz of a beverage with 8 tablespoons of dextrose, (I sip it between sets, and finish it when I complete the workout).
Recently I decided to take a break from all supplements and I feel pretty good. I may add some back in, but I didn’t lack energy or motivation, (I feel much more resilient).
As a total side note, I’ve looked into fruits with higher ratios of glucose to fructose and I’m finding these fruits to be much more digestible for me, (and I just seem to enjoy them more as well).
So I’m not sure where to go from here. I am sold, this, for me, seems to be a missing link. I always had the same repetitive pattern with bioenergetic substances, (work briefly, eventually stop, lead to constipation). Glucose eliminates the need to balance supplements to avoid that cycle. I would LOVE to eliminate tinnitus, but I’m not sure how much dextrose would be needed to do this. I know Dr Stephens says to up the dose until symptoms subside, but I think I’d like to speak directly to him or someone else before I start pounding more than 8 tablespoons in a single dose, (who knows, maybe I’ll feel confident at some point in the future to expiriment this way).
I think some of us simply don’t convert carbs into glucose, and at least for me, no volume of fruit, starch, or thyroid medicine closed that gap.
Great report Evan! It does seem to work on our moods and attitudes before anything else.
I too still have tinnitus and since Dr Peat said it is caused by gut dysfunction, I've begun a gut protocol along with the glucose to hopefully speed things up. I take gelatin, modified citrus pectin, acacia fiber, metamucil, and bamboo silica activated with lemon (Nathan Hatch gut protocol). I'm also about to make soup stock and try to have some of that daily.
Also, avoiding foods with pesticides and herbicides (glyphosate) is important since these kill beneficial gut bacteria. I know Dr Peat recommended antibiotics to clean up the gut, but I think they can cause more serious problems down the road, so will take them only in an emergency.
Hope you will report back as you're able!
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Yeah, that is super good to hear.
What I found in my second or really third day is that my stomach doesn't bother me nearly as much and I'm actually consuming more than I was yesterday.
So I'm doing about 25 grams at a time, starting with morning coffee, then later in the morning, then around lunchtime, and then in the afternoon.
And I'm just going to keep doing this.
I am working to feel more healthy in the fall and the wintertime and perhaps be more headache-free.
So those are my goals here.
I'm not sure if I'm meeting the goals, but we'll see.
@evan-hinkle you may want to consider low dose naltrexone for tinnitus. Has helped a lot of folks. It has revolutionized my allergies (they are gone for the first time in my whole life) and made my gut (not my stomach) almost problem-free.
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@S-Holmes yeah, my approach has been gut health since before the Peat days, but the tinnitus is something I became aware of in the last few years, (given my state of existence was so poor i couldn’t perceive most of my health issues). I may have had it since playing football…
I used to fast for 3-5 days before I found Peat and that seemed to help most things, (but again, my awareness was so poor, I’m sure I did plenty harm too). I think I just robbed my body of the energy to exhibit symptoms of illness. I just don’t know how long I’ve had tinnitus is my main issue there. I will continue along though!
