Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. An obese, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside)
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@Kilgore mmm burgers and fries
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@ThinPicking said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
Then what? To your mind. If you're kind enough to answer, remember we're open to corruption all the same.
I will not go into more politics, but I can tell you that people won't believe what media says anymore, this means that we'll be way harder to control.
Since we would still be divided and people would still distract their mind with entertainment, starting a revolution won't be possible and almost no one wants to risk his life for it.If the population would be fully awakened regarding the whole system, they will become less materialistic, healthier, calmer, more sociable, cooperative and with a desire to go off-grid to fully isolate or least they would choose small cities.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
Off topic: With Yandex I found a study where finnish scientists were against exercise, and it felt impossible with Google.
Can you share that? I'm interested in why Peat doesn't exercise, and I do little of it as well now as an experiment I began more than 12 years ago.
I have kept my weight, maintained the muscle tone I developed when I exercised. A lot of it is due to my having good metabolism, which I did not have before as when I struggled with low blood sugar. I find that having good metabolism burns energy adequately that I do not need external metabolism to burn excess energy. And that excess is further diminished when there is a lot of brain activity as when I read and think and write a lot.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
I will not go into more politics, but I can tell you that people won't believe what media says anymore, this means that we'll be way harder to control.
Alright but alt and social media have proven themselves snake pits. And many seem to struggle with their own capacity to evaluate what's True and what's false. Possibly because they're expected to be definitive and not directional. Beside energy deficit and cardiac whimper.
People do need to control themselves if they're not to be controlled.
If the population would be fully awakened regarding the whole system, they will become less materialistic, healthier, calmer, more sociable, cooperative and with a desire to go off-grid to fully isolate or least they would choose small cities.
Sounds nice. Until someone breaks anothers heart and you have a runner. Metaphorically or not.
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@ThinPicking said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
Until someone breaks anothers heart and you have a runner.
True, but we must keep in mind that if you break someone's heart you are suboptimal (could be from insecurity, boringness, no purpose, etc.), at least in most cases. Haidut found a study correlating cheating/selfishness and cortisol. When the metabolism is suboptimal, you try to boost it by cheating in life.
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@ThinPicking said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
People do need to control themselves if they're not to be controlled.
It's hard to admit but that's true. If morals can be teached, then maybe religion could be the answer?
Authority puts bad and good people in their place at cost of their freedom. If authority could be used in a way that disguises the control forced upon the population so they feel less repressed, then it could be an answer, but I don't know how. It feels hard to create an authority spectrum.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
If the population would be fully awakened regarding the whole system, they will become less materialistic, healthier, calmer, more sociable, cooperative and with a desire to go off-grid to fully isolate or least they would choose small cities.
When is one "fully" awakened?
The "off-grid" thing is somewhat of a fantasy, but I like the idea of Broadacre City. At its core, it was very revolutionary and pretty "socialist" or utopian/communitarian. It was roughly the idea for decentralized suburban centers that were self-sustaining. Good in theory, near impossible in practice.Even today, people can choose smaller cities. But when the smaller cities grow, they are incentivized to become like bigger cities, see bigger investments, foreign influence, become dead, grey, soulless, low-trust, etc. At least in this 100+year federal/capitalistic-libertarian system.
Even Texas is upset about liberals from California and elsewhere moving there. It isn't really about "voting," any more than the dollar is the true "vote." They "vote" the natives into oblivion, so a careful exchange or osmosis of culture is impossible (even within ethnic homogeneity).
Last thing is this goes back to energy. Frank Lloyd Wright probably would have supported decentralized energy production through hydro, solar, or nuclear, because it would have been a means to the end of this utopian suburban vision. It is a continuation of the utopian thinking in various European Catholic, Puritan, Anabaptist, Mennonite, Quaker, Shaker, Amish, sects. Even the cults of the 50s, 60s, 70s factor into utopian idealism.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
If authority could be used in a way that disguises the control forced upon the population so they feel less repressed, then it could be an answer, but I don't know how.
Isn't this just the "noble lie" or "big lie" of Platonism? The problem is we're debunking our "big lie" now, and we need a new "big lie" to correct the old one. But there are always "big lies" being debunked and new ones created.
Again, I think the feeling of repression / oppression falls into the Stoicism category of finding constraints and working within that. And that's why I think politics has been so enticing since at least Obama but probably since ancient times. The rulers equate themselves with the stars and planets that also basically tell the stories of every major religion. I'm led to believe many things worsened under Obamna's reign, which Trump was set to "fix" as an opposition. Things got worse, and O'Biden paved the way for the redemption arc of The Don.
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
When is one "fully" awakened?
I don't think it's possible to be 100% and living in the system at the same time. It may be better to isolate somewhere as I said off-grid fully self-sustained with the idea in mind that the whole system is fully corrupted even though you got no arguments, lying to yourself would be more beneficial because you are not part of it anymore.
But being fully self-sustained means no technology that could help you become more productive and more physical stress which will lower your quality life.I didn't know about Broadacre City, sounds interesting. Why do you think it's not applicable in the real world? Is it because of the government or the idea itself is not brilliant enough?
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
But when the smaller cities grow, they are incentivized to become like bigger cities, see bigger investments, foreign influence, become dead, grey, soulless, low-trust, etc.
During communism in Romania, the dictator built industry and warehouses all over the country, even my small town of few thousands had a few. People were living in rural areas working their normal jobs close to home. Now it's the opposite, the West came, all industry destroyed and created new ones only in big cities.
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
Last thing is this goes back to energy.
Yes, such a shame everything in centralized. Romania has energy, from hydro mainly, enough for double country of Romania, and they still makes us pay a bill. And of course, the energy is owned by e-on, a German company.
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
The problem is we're debunking our "big lie" now, and we need a new "big lie" to correct the old one. But there are always "big lies" being debunked and new ones created.
That's right.
@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
I'm led to believe many things worsened under Obamna's reign, which Trump was set to "fix" as an opposition.
Did worsen really? I don't live in the US, but wasn't the economy worse after Trump than after Obama? On paper could be better for Trump, but in reality the economy becomes worse for the average guy since all money goes to the riches. So it doesn't really matter if Trump creates jobs if the system is rigged.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
I didn't know about Broadacre City, sounds interesting. Why do you think it's not applicable in the real world? Is it because of the government or the idea itself is not brilliant enough?
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An article on the architect's plan:
https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/frank-lloyd-wrights-utopian-dystopiaan excerpt:
"Even in the 1930s, urban planners were disgusted by Broadacre. Its philosophy was deeply individualistic; its layout was conspicuously wasteful. Liberals of the time who emulated the socialist spirit of Europe classified Wright as an anti-government eccentric, which indeed he was. In 1938, Marxist art historian Meyer Schapiro condemned Broadcre City as “perfectly consistent with physical and spiritual decay.”
This pretty much says it all. Urban planners want maximum utility - whether socialist or fascist. Apparently socialists considered it anti-government because it would be closer to self-sufficient and decentralized / autonomous cities ("republics" if you will).
I guess Schapiro thinks open space, autonomy, and "working with nature" are signs of spiritual and physical decay.
In reality market forces would never let this happen. I think it's quite literally an example of why even small things like walkability, trees, night-sky visibility, grasses/pastures non-"productive" or non-extractive rural land are incredibly rare now.
Even in a country like the US, the big shareholders and corporations would take major losses if people self-organized into unique communities. They would not be in control. That's it. I think whatever we're calling "government" are really just oligarchs or barons of industry; they have to get theirs. And I suppose that's why they're governing and marketing down to the cellular level with drugs and diseases.
At the same time, I'm pretty cynical and think our society is a mirror of human nature. The big lies of our time are also the product of cynicism about human nature, not lacking shortsightedness about the failures of human nature. Sort of like the pharmaceutical industry; any new discovery can spur research into a drug to cure the thing, but it just exacerbates the disconnection between doctor and patient.
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@Androsclerozat said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
During communism in Romania, the dictator built industry and warehouses all over the country, even my small town of few thousands had a few. People were living in rural areas working their normal jobs close to home. Now it's the opposite, the West came, all industry destroyed and created new ones only in big cities.
That is a sad story though it's believable. It's a vicious cycle. Entire cities and states in the US are basically destitute because of what happened forty years ago outsourcing automobile and other manufacturing, coal, gas, etc. The USA is technically an incorporated entity; DC, London, and Vatican are autonomous city-states as well and all connected, not to mention Switzerland $$$.
From what I've read Obama took office and race crimes increased a lot, black on black, black and white, etc. He basically created a new "race" agenda in a post-racial culture. There is supposedly a lot of other damage Obama did (really screwed Veterans healthcare/hospital operations; laundered billions to sham foreign "green energy" companies) but I'm not sure it's really unique compared to any other president including Trump of course.
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
I guess Schapiro thinks open space, autonomy, and "working with nature" are signs of spiritual and physical decay.
Indeed. I checked him out and he is a jew and probably a mason too. It's pretty hard to find one that's pro-autonomy.
@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
The big lies of our time are also the product of cynicism about human nature, not lacking shortsightedness about the failures of human nature.
I am always thinking if I would be in power, how corrupted I would be? I think the more sins you do in your life, the easier is to repeat them. If you got a conflict with your best friend and you lie, next time it would be easier (less remorse) to lie and **the purity of the friendship and your soul **decreases but also for the next one friendships.
If you could get back that purity it would be fantastic, but I hardly know an effective way. Some say by praying. For me works doing good to homeless people, but I had moments when they didn't thank me for giving them a meal, they looked with superiority actually and that demotivated me. Maybe loving animals?
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
The USA is technically an incorporated entity; DC, London, and Vatican are autonomous city-states as well and all connected, not to mention Switzerland $$$.
We can't do much unfortunately.
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@Corngold said in Donald Trump defies the laws of aging. A fat, garbage food eating insomniac conquered the world at 78 (politics aside):
From what I've read Obama took office and race crimes increased a lot, black on black, black and white, etc.
Oh, yeah, just also for the fact that Obama himself is black can create conflict.
You got black, white, Kamala is indian if I remember, now Chinese and you got them all. -
@yerrag In other words, Fina steride met its match in the Donald
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Is the ferrous sulfate that is in enriched flour only bad because it is highly absorbable? so that means it would be good for someone with legitimately low iron?
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All good points. What little we can do is in our power.
