@mostlylurking said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

@Butter-Girl said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

@LucH said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

Some target points to deal with

• B1 is needed for communication between the brain and the stomach (vagal innervation).
  High dose B1 is needed for passive assimilation, with staples. I’d take Mg bisglycinate every day (300 mg x 2 or x3, according to stress); and B2 50 mg (every other day, thrice a week). B2 is needed when taking B1.
• B1 for gut motility
  Dr Costantini and bacterial overgrowth
  SIBO, IBS, and Constipation: Unrecognized Thiamine Deficiency? – June 2020
  https://www.hormonesmatter.com/sibo-ibs-constipation-thiamine-deficiency/
  To understand how thiamine impacts gut function we have to understand the GI tract. The GI tract possesses its own individual enteric nervous system (ENS), often referred to as the second brain. (vagal innervation). Enteric neurons also use acetylcholine to initiate peristaltic contractions necessary for proper gut motility. Thiamine is necessary for the synthesis of acetylcholine and low levels produce an acetylcholine deficit, which leads to reduced vagal tone and impaired motility in the stomach and small intestine.
  => choline or glycine needed.
  For Dr. Constantini, a chronic thiamine deficiency can indirectly produce an inability to digest and absorb foods, and therefore produce a deficiency in most of the other vitamins and minerals. In fact, this is indeed something I see frequently. And sadly, as thiamine is notoriously difficult to identify through ordinary testing methods, it is mostly missed by doctors and nutritionists. To summarize, B1 is necessary in the gut for:
   Stomach acid secretion and gastric emptying
   Pancreatic digestive enzyme secretion
   Intestinal brush border enzymes
   Intestinal contractions and motility
   Vagal nerve function
  If I have problem to digest protein, Betaine HCL, at the evening meal. Digestion is optimal at midday.
  If I have problem to digest fats: Enzymedica Lypo Gold for fat digestion.
  Note: you’re not going to solve this kind of problem with 100 mg B1. Passive assimilation is needed when targeting High dose B1, in several staples, not only with B1 HCl. I can give a link for the protocol of Dr. Allil Overton, on my forum, if wanted (“mirzoune et ciboulette”)
  Dr. Overton says, when talking about Thiamine (nod need to listen to):
  https://www.hormonesmatter.com/talking-about-thiamine/
  “Thiamine (vitamin B1) is critical for the metabolism of food into cellular energy or ATP. Without sufficient thiamine, cellular energy wanes, and with it, the capacity to maintain the energy to function declines. Chronic, unrelenting fatigue is a common characteristic of insufficient thiamine. At its root, fatigue is the physical manifestation of poor energy metabolism.
  Why is this nutrient such a problem? Two reasons. First, B1 is the gatekeeper to energy metabolism and so if it is low, everything downstream gums up and does not work well. Second, modern diets, medicines, and other chemical exposures contain numerous anti-thiamine factors that derail thiamine absorption and metabolism. This pushes many people into states of chronic deficiency, one that is simple to correct if identified. Unfortunately, however, patients can go years before the deficiency is recognized.”
  Additional info
  Thiamine Deficiency - A Potential Cause of SIBO and other Gut Dysfunction?
  Elliot Overton – Nutrition and Functional Medicine – 2019
  https://www.eonutrition.co.uk/post/thiamine-deficiency-a-major-cause-of-sibo
• Thiamine deficiency - A consequence or cause of SIBO?
• How can thiamine deficiency cause gut dysfunction?
  Key points:
  Thiamine's key role in energy metabolism of the brain regions responsible for controlling autonomic balance, coupled with its role in acetylcholine synthesis, indicate that a deficiency could easily cause the symptoms which we associate with SIBO.
  The autonomic nervous system is involved in:
   Secretion of stomach acid, pancreatic enzymes, and brush border enzymes
   Release of bile from the liver
   Maintaining regular intestinal peristalsis (motility)
   Reducing intestinal permeability (leaky gut)
   Reducing inflammation

I take 150-200 of Lipothiamine daily in addition to a B complex. How much B2 is necessary to take with this?
My B- complex has 50mgs. in it.

I think the amount of B2 needed is tied to multiple things. For example, I do take B2 because I high dose thiamine hcl, but I also was having some eye trouble: cataracts, floaters, difficulty focusing. I've been taking about 100mgs of B2 four times a day for the past 3 years. I believe this is the reason for my greatly improved eye health, including the improvement in the cataract situation. See here: Riboflavin: The Health Benefits of a Forgotten Natural Vitamin
"Cataract formation is a result of protein aggregation which causes the lens to become cloudy. RF intake from food and supplements was associated with decreased risk of nuclear lens opacities [81]. Cataract formation in the general public seemed not to be associated with RF deficiency while in the elderly it might be increased due to a RF deficiency [82]. High dose of RF, 400 mg/d, appears to have a preventive effect or some beneficial effects on the development of age-related cataracts [3]. RF concentration influences the GSH concentration in the lens, while GSH protects the lens against oxidative damage and cataract development. In total, 80% of the cataract patients showed a shortage of RF [83]. "

Here is another article about riboflavin that might be of interest: A newly discovered anti-senescence function of vitamin B2
"The research team discovered a phenomenon whereby resistance to cellular senescence occurred as a result of increasing the amount of SLC52A1 produced. SLC52A1 is the protein responsible for transporting vitamin B2 into cells (vitamin B2 transporter). When SLC52A1 production was increased, cellular senescence did not occur immediately even under stress conditions (where human cells were treated with a drug to injure the DNA and induce aging). Following on from this, the researchers conducted an experiment where they exposed the cells to stress and then increased the amount of vitamin B2 in the culture solution. They found that resistance to senescence increased in accordance with the amount of vitamin B2 in the solution. Inside the cell, vitamin B2 is converted into a substance called Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide (FAD), a coenzyme that promotes the chemical reactions necessary for biological activities such as energy production. In fact, the amount of FAD in cells exposed to stress increased, which resulted in the vitamin B2 that had been transported into the cells to be converted into FAD, thus suppressing senescence."

Interesting information thats good to know.

@LucH said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

@Butter-Girl said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

It’s a Methyl B Complex by Ortho Molecular Products.

OK if only one gel a day. No need every day. 2 or 3 times a week could be adequate.
=> Mo Wed Fr.
Note: TMG 500-1000 mg could be interesting too if detox. 2x/d.
+/ Hard to swallow without fat if 1000 mg ((big caps).
TMG = tri-methyl glycine.

Thank you!

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl, yep, Dr. Kempner openly admitted to whipping his patients to adhere to what he described as a “monotonous and tasteless diet which would never become popular” because he thought “the risk to their life was so great that it warranted harshness.”

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19971026&id=slMgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pM8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6859,6027332

The current incarnation of Kempner’s protocol is just as alarming, IMO. The Rice Diet is a meager 800–1000 calories a day:

“The rice diet consists of rice, grains, fruits, vegetables and beans, with an option of fish available on Saturday evenings. The diet provides 800-1000 calories a day, 5-10 percent of which derive from fat and 5-20 percent from protein. Sodium intake is extremely low on the rice diet, which contributes to the diet's success, but also mandates careful medical monitoring.”

https://www.ricehouse.org/

There are quite a few well-known, plant-based practitioners who were Seventh-day Adventists. I followed a protocol developed by a practitioner who was a Seventh-day Adventist and like the other Seventh-day practitioners, his religious beliefs are woven throughout his work, something I was unaware of when I started following it. He even discussed racial purity and at that point, I was done with it. Natural Hygiene also has a strong focus on purity as the movement began in the 1830s, a very puritanical time period. One of its first pioneers was Sylvester Graham, inventor of the graham cracker who also influenced John Harvey Kellogg. A more virtuous person if you eat only plants is a good way of putting it. It’s more about morality than science.

Wow, saying Dr. Kempner had issues is an understatement.
More like a psychopath.
Sure, they’re going to lose weight eating such a paltry amount of calories and food choices.
I wonder if his clients (I mean victims) regained back the weight they lost afterward?

@LucH said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

@Butter-Girl
50 mg IS ok.
What kind of b6 and B3 b9. How much.
A link?

It’s a Methyl B Complex by Ortho Molecular Products.
B6 is Pyridoxine Hydrochloride USP 50 mg
B3 is Niacinamide USP 50 mg
B9 is Folate (400 mcg as Quatrefolic (6S)-5Meththyltetrahydrofolic acid glucosamine salt 680 mcgDFE

@LucH said in Endotoxin Inflammation Stack:

Some target points to deal with

• B1 is needed for communication between the brain and the stomach (vagal innervation).
  High dose B1 is needed for passive assimilation, with staples. I’d take Mg bisglycinate every day (300 mg x 2 or x3, according to stress); and B2 50 mg (every other day, thrice a week). B2 is needed when taking B1.
• B1 for gut motility
  Dr Costantini and bacterial overgrowth
  SIBO, IBS, and Constipation: Unrecognized Thiamine Deficiency? – June 2020
  https://www.hormonesmatter.com/sibo-ibs-constipation-thiamine-deficiency/
  To understand how thiamine impacts gut function we have to understand the GI tract. The GI tract possesses its own individual enteric nervous system (ENS), often referred to as the second brain. (vagal innervation). Enteric neurons also use acetylcholine to initiate peristaltic contractions necessary for proper gut motility. Thiamine is necessary for the synthesis of acetylcholine and low levels produce an acetylcholine deficit, which leads to reduced vagal tone and impaired motility in the stomach and small intestine.
  => choline or glycine needed.
  For Dr. Constantini, a chronic thiamine deficiency can indirectly produce an inability to digest and absorb foods, and therefore produce a deficiency in most of the other vitamins and minerals. In fact, this is indeed something I see frequently. And sadly, as thiamine is notoriously difficult to identify through ordinary testing methods, it is mostly missed by doctors and nutritionists. To summarize, B1 is necessary in the gut for:
   Stomach acid secretion and gastric emptying
   Pancreatic digestive enzyme secretion
   Intestinal brush border enzymes
   Intestinal contractions and motility
   Vagal nerve function
  If I have problem to digest protein, Betaine HCL, at the evening meal. Digestion is optimal at midday.
  If I have problem to digest fats: Enzymedica Lypo Gold for fat digestion.
  Note: you’re not going to solve this kind of problem with 100 mg B1. Passive assimilation is needed when targeting High dose B1, in several staples, not only with B1 HCl. I can give a link for the protocol of Dr. Allil Overton, on my forum, if wanted (“mirzoune et ciboulette”)
  Dr. Overton says, when talking about Thiamine (nod need to listen to):
  https://www.hormonesmatter.com/talking-about-thiamine/
  “Thiamine (vitamin B1) is critical for the metabolism of food into cellular energy or ATP. Without sufficient thiamine, cellular energy wanes, and with it, the capacity to maintain the energy to function declines. Chronic, unrelenting fatigue is a common characteristic of insufficient thiamine. At its root, fatigue is the physical manifestation of poor energy metabolism.
  Why is this nutrient such a problem? Two reasons. First, B1 is the gatekeeper to energy metabolism and so if it is low, everything downstream gums up and does not work well. Second, modern diets, medicines, and other chemical exposures contain numerous anti-thiamine factors that derail thiamine absorption and metabolism. This pushes many people into states of chronic deficiency, one that is simple to correct if identified. Unfortunately, however, patients can go years before the deficiency is recognized.”
  Additional info
  Thiamine Deficiency - A Potential Cause of SIBO and other Gut Dysfunction?
  Elliot Overton – Nutrition and Functional Medicine – 2019
  https://www.eonutrition.co.uk/post/thiamine-deficiency-a-major-cause-of-sibo
• Thiamine deficiency - A consequence or cause of SIBO?
• How can thiamine deficiency cause gut dysfunction?
  Key points:
  Thiamine's key role in energy metabolism of the brain regions responsible for controlling autonomic balance, coupled with its role in acetylcholine synthesis, indicate that a deficiency could easily cause the symptoms which we associate with SIBO.
  The autonomic nervous system is involved in:
   Secretion of stomach acid, pancreatic enzymes, and brush border enzymes
   Release of bile from the liver
   Maintaining regular intestinal peristalsis (motility)
   Reducing intestinal permeability (leaky gut)
   Reducing inflammation

I take 150-200 of Lipothiamine daily in addition to a B complex. How much B2 is necessary to take with this?
My B- complex has 50mgs. in it.

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@sphagnum said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

You asked two different questions, and made related statements so I’m not sure exactly which part(s) you wanted directly answered.

I would agree that saturated fat is both safe, and healthy when consumed in moderation. We all need dietary fat to some degree, and it’s likely by far the safest.

I would agree that saturated being a staple of many traditional diets, when those same people could have just as easily found a way to use PUFA, should encourage and not discourage its use. Many people are indoctrinated to think everything “modern” is automatically superior, though.

As for FFA: my very novice understanding is that any FFA, even from saturated fats, when elevated, can lead to insulin resistance which then leads to metabolic issues. What exactly would be considered “elevated,” and what dietary actions would lead you personally to that level, I couldn’t begin to guess at.

Basically, I’m asking if it is a healthy approach to eating.
Having saturated fat in my diet now has done so many positive things for me. I used to avoid fats of all kinds thinking they were “bad”, but studying Peat’s approach and seeing good results for myself, I like it.
I’m just wondering about the “amount” of saturated fat though.
How much is safe for the liver and how much is not?
I understand the latest science is saying saturated fat is not bad for the heart like we were told for the last 50+ years.
How much FFA for saturated fat is considered healthy for the body?
There are a lot of conflicting comments because there are those who still say “only” low fat is good.

Well, what’s correct?

To fat or not to fat, that is the question.

Going by what you’ve shared here, in your case, to fat. In my case, to fat. And having spent two decades in the low-fat, high-carb, plant-based community, for many women I know of, to fat. The amount of women who lost their period, only to have it return when they increased their fat intake was sizable enough to not only take notice, but come to expect it. I also know of quite a few men in the community whose libido disappeared and returned after they started incorporating coconut regularly in their diet. The women don’t often talk about their libido so I can’t comment on their experience in that regard, but mine matches the men’s in that saturated fat intake, especially from coconut, positively affects the quality of my libido, i.e., improves the intensity and frequency of orgasms. Same with carbs, especially from fruit. Fat also satiates me and overall, makes me my happiest. For me, ice cream without cream is no ice cream, and life without ice cream is no life. You’ll find plenty of “science” in support of and against fat so I’d say trust your experience above all else.

You sound like me- your history. We woman have had it drummed into our heads that (good saturated) fat is taboo. Almost a conspiracy isn’t it?

About fat and libido, omygosh yes! Fat is well amazing
Yeah, I don’t know anyone who can eat “icy” ice cream.
A sorbet is one thing, but gotta have the butterfat for quality ice cream

It’s so true. Though, for me, it could have been so much worse had I not grown up in a French family where foods rich in saturated fat were staples. I’m not sure about conspiracies, but I know religion and beliefs regarding “purity” have played a part in the low-fat, plant-based movement. For example, the history of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and dry cereal. I found it quite disturbing to learn why certain beliefs took hold. With “authorities” promoting the reenactment of famine through self-imposed starvation, the suppression of pleasure and with it instinct, and actual beatings to comply (Dr. Walter Kempner of the Rice Diet, for example), it’s no wonder there is so much fear and confusion surrounding something as vital but basic as food.

Very interesting what you’ve mentioned. I’ll have to look into the history of Dr. Kellogg as well. I had heard of Dr. Kempner’s Rice Diet, but “beatings to comply”? That doesn’t sound good.
Yes, with the low fat, plant based movement, it seems that there’s this elitism attached to it. Like you are a more virtuous person if you eat only plants LOL.
I know the Seventh Day Adventists follow this way of thinking. Kinda crazy if you ask me.

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@sphagnum said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

You asked two different questions, and made related statements so I’m not sure exactly which part(s) you wanted directly answered.

I would agree that saturated fat is both safe, and healthy when consumed in moderation. We all need dietary fat to some degree, and it’s likely by far the safest.

I would agree that saturated being a staple of many traditional diets, when those same people could have just as easily found a way to use PUFA, should encourage and not discourage its use. Many people are indoctrinated to think everything “modern” is automatically superior, though.

As for FFA: my very novice understanding is that any FFA, even from saturated fats, when elevated, can lead to insulin resistance which then leads to metabolic issues. What exactly would be considered “elevated,” and what dietary actions would lead you personally to that level, I couldn’t begin to guess at.

Basically, I’m asking if it is a healthy approach to eating.
Having saturated fat in my diet now has done so many positive things for me. I used to avoid fats of all kinds thinking they were “bad”, but studying Peat’s approach and seeing good results for myself, I like it.
I’m just wondering about the “amount” of saturated fat though.
How much is safe for the liver and how much is not?
I understand the latest science is saying saturated fat is not bad for the heart like we were told for the last 50+ years.
How much FFA for saturated fat is considered healthy for the body?
There are a lot of conflicting comments because there are those who still say “only” low fat is good.

Well, what’s correct?

To fat or not to fat, that is the question.

Going by what you’ve shared here, in your case, to fat. In my case, to fat. And having spent two decades in the low-fat, high-carb, plant-based community, for many women I know of, to fat. The amount of women who lost their period, only to have it return when they increased their fat intake was sizable enough to not only take notice, but come to expect it. I also know of quite a few men in the community whose libido disappeared and returned after they started incorporating coconut regularly in their diet. The women don’t often talk about their libido so I can’t comment on their experience in that regard, but mine matches the men’s in that saturated fat intake, especially from coconut, positively affects the quality of my libido, i.e., improves the intensity and frequency of orgasms. Same with carbs, especially from fruit. Fat also satiates me and overall, makes me my happiest. For me, ice cream without cream is no ice cream, and life without ice cream is no life. You’ll find plenty of “science” in support of and against fat so I’d say trust your experience above all else.

Have you heard of Dr. Elizabeth Bright?

She really promotes fat for your hormones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bVzaWqw9k

I don’t necessarily agree with all the conclusions mentioned here in the video, but I do believe fat is definitely important for our hormones.

Another interesting interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FurbXq-myBw

She says women need more fat for our endocrine system. She discusses how she burned out her adrenals running 10 miles a day. I did the same with extreme undereating and extreme exercize. So she basically agrees with Dr. Peat that extreme exercize is dangerous to one’s body. She’s not a proponent of carbs though. Disagree with her on that. I feel carbs are important for many things, but as Peaters, we know that.

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@sphagnum said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

You asked two different questions, and made related statements so I’m not sure exactly which part(s) you wanted directly answered.

I would agree that saturated fat is both safe, and healthy when consumed in moderation. We all need dietary fat to some degree, and it’s likely by far the safest.

I would agree that saturated being a staple of many traditional diets, when those same people could have just as easily found a way to use PUFA, should encourage and not discourage its use. Many people are indoctrinated to think everything “modern” is automatically superior, though.

As for FFA: my very novice understanding is that any FFA, even from saturated fats, when elevated, can lead to insulin resistance which then leads to metabolic issues. What exactly would be considered “elevated,” and what dietary actions would lead you personally to that level, I couldn’t begin to guess at.

Basically, I’m asking if it is a healthy approach to eating.
Having saturated fat in my diet now has done so many positive things for me. I used to avoid fats of all kinds thinking they were “bad”, but studying Peat’s approach and seeing good results for myself, I like it.
I’m just wondering about the “amount” of saturated fat though.
How much is safe for the liver and how much is not?
I understand the latest science is saying saturated fat is not bad for the heart like we were told for the last 50+ years.
How much FFA for saturated fat is considered healthy for the body?
There are a lot of conflicting comments because there are those who still say “only” low fat is good.

Well, what’s correct?

To fat or not to fat, that is the question.

Going by what you’ve shared here, in your case, to fat. In my case, to fat. And having spent two decades in the low-fat, high-carb, plant-based community, for many women I know of, to fat. The amount of women who lost their period, only to have it return when they increased their fat intake was sizable enough to not only take notice, but come to expect it. I also know of quite a few men in the community whose libido disappeared and returned after they started incorporating coconut regularly in their diet. The women don’t often talk about their libido so I can’t comment on their experience in that regard, but mine matches the men’s in that saturated fat intake, especially from coconut, positively affects the quality of my libido, i.e., improves the intensity and frequency of orgasms. Same with carbs, especially from fruit. Fat also satiates me and overall, makes me my happiest. For me, ice cream without cream is no ice cream, and life without ice cream is no life. You’ll find plenty of “science” in support of and against fat so I’d say trust your experience above all else.

Have you heard of Dr. Elizabeth Bright?

She really promotes fat for your hormones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bVzaWqw9k

I don’t necessarily agree with all the conclusions mentioned here in the video, but I do believe fat is definitely important for our hormones.

Another interesting interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FurbXq-myBw

@Jennifer said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@Butter-Girl said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

@sphagnum said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

You asked two different questions, and made related statements so I’m not sure exactly which part(s) you wanted directly answered.

I would agree that saturated fat is both safe, and healthy when consumed in moderation. We all need dietary fat to some degree, and it’s likely by far the safest.

I would agree that saturated being a staple of many traditional diets, when those same people could have just as easily found a way to use PUFA, should encourage and not discourage its use. Many people are indoctrinated to think everything “modern” is automatically superior, though.

As for FFA: my very novice understanding is that any FFA, even from saturated fats, when elevated, can lead to insulin resistance which then leads to metabolic issues. What exactly would be considered “elevated,” and what dietary actions would lead you personally to that level, I couldn’t begin to guess at.

Basically, I’m asking if it is a healthy approach to eating.
Having saturated fat in my diet now has done so many positive things for me. I used to avoid fats of all kinds thinking they were “bad”, but studying Peat’s approach and seeing good results for myself, I like it.
I’m just wondering about the “amount” of saturated fat though.
How much is safe for the liver and how much is not?
I understand the latest science is saying saturated fat is not bad for the heart like we were told for the last 50+ years.
How much FFA for saturated fat is considered healthy for the body?
There are a lot of conflicting comments because there are those who still say “only” low fat is good.

Well, what’s correct?

To fat or not to fat, that is the question.

Going by what you’ve shared here, in your case, to fat. In my case, to fat. And having spent two decades in the low-fat, high-carb, plant-based community, for many women I know of, to fat. The amount of women who lost their period, only to have it return when they increased their fat intake was sizable enough to not only take notice, but come to expect it. I also know of quite a few men in the community whose libido disappeared and returned after they started incorporating coconut regularly in their diet. The women don’t often talk about their libido so I can’t comment on their experience in that regard, but mine matches the men’s in that saturated fat intake, especially from coconut, positively affects the quality of my libido, i.e., improves the intensity and frequency of orgasms. Same with carbs, especially from fruit. Fat also satiates me and overall, makes me my happiest. For me, ice cream without cream is no ice cream, and life without ice cream is no life. You’ll find plenty of “science” in support of and against fat so I’d say trust your experience above all else.

You sound like me- your history. We woman have had it drummed into our heads that (good saturated) fat is taboo. Almost a conspiracy isn’t it?

About fat and libido, omygosh yes! Fat is well amazing
Yeah, I don’t know anyone who can eat “icy” ice cream.
A sorbet is one thing, but gotta have the butterfat for quality ice cream

@LucH

Thank you for your detailed response.

@BiochemNordic said in BiochemNordic.com:

BiochemNordic.com

Benedicte Mai Lerche MSc PhD

In my early twenties, I experienced severe hypothyroidism. Fortunately, I encountered Dr. Ray Peat, whose guidance helped me overcome my condition.

Subsequently, I pursued biochemistry at university, and today, I run my website: biochemnordic.com

Both my website and my book series are devoted to assisting individuals in healing their metabolic and hormonal imbalances through Dr. Ray Peat's pioneering research. His website also links to mine.

My objective is to empower people to take charge of their health using Dr. Ray Peat's innovative health strategies.

You are more than welcome to visit biochemnordic.com to learn more.

I want to thank the creators of this forum for their initiative. The forum has a great layout and fosters interesting conversations.

Thank you, look forward to reading your website!

@diomedes said in Sleepy after coffee:

Does anyone else get sleepy after drinking coffee? Specifically afternoon ones, I rarely get sleepy after morning coffee. Perhaps weak liver function?

That’s happened to me a few times.

My main question: why is having free flowing fatty acid from saturated fat circulating around one’s body bad, if saturated fat is the “good” fat?

@LucH said in Chris Masterjohn Substack:

@AstralPMP

*) Assimilating vitamin C supplement is leaving oxalate
As little 250 – 500 mg L-ascorbic has been tested and is counter-productive.
Excerpt:
Moreover, vitamin C supplementation at daily dosages of both 250–499 mg and 1000–1499 mg was associated with an 11–14% increased risk of kidney stones. It is remarkable that it occurs in males but not in females [20,23]. Differences by gender are present also for Vitamin B6 intake.
Vitamin B6 is a cofactor of oxalate metabolism.
See figure 2 for optimal substance claiming to treat kidney stones.
doi: 10.3390/nu15040877 2023
"Kidney Stone Prevention: Is There a Role for Complementary and Alternative Medicine?"
Efficacy rate:
High efficacity (40%) for potassium and magnesium citrate and plant extract from phyllantus niruri (Echinacea). Phyllanthus emblica and Phyllanthus niruri co-exist. Verify with the Latin name. Mind the use of this plant since it has an impact on platelet aggregation (inhibition).
Personal advice

I won’t take vitamin C supplement during a crisis.

Avoid vitamin C supplement is mostly adviced. But I don’t agree: I manage well with a tiny amount when modulating the whole thing: I take a very / very small pinch (0.12 gr) with 100 ml water. I drink little mineralized water, spring water with. Half-life of vitamin C is short. Twice a day would be optimal in case of inflammation, if you manage well.
To balance my recommended intake of potassium (4500 mg RDA), I take some potassium citrate (1 scope 1.3 gr) and for magnesium (420 mg RDA) I take one scope magnesium bisglycinate (2.5 gr). I use cronometer.com as monitoring software.
Of course, we need enough Ca (800 – 1200 mg) from food. Preferably from food. Never take a calcium supplement above 200-250 mg. Calcium citrate powder is advised.
One scope 1.3 gr calcium citrate brings +/ 1/3 Ca element (400 mg). Taken in 2 doses.
Mind capsule saying 900 mg. It only contains 1/3 Ca.

Microbiote
After taking an antibiotic, some remaining strains could manage oxalate (sensing chorum), Unbalanced microbiote. Must be reloaded.

High food oxalate
High-oxalate foods. Many plants contain oxalate, so it’s hard to avoid it entirely. But some foods have much more than others. Try to limit:
• Spinach
• Rhubarb
• Almonds and cashews
• Miso soup
• Grits
• Baked potatoes with skin
• Beets
• Cocoa powder
• Okra
• Bran cereals
• French fries
• Raspberries
• Stevia sweeteners
• Sweet potatoes
• 1 Medjol Date = 24 mg
• + tea / coffee.
https://ucikidneystonecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Oxalate-Content-of-Foods.pdf
If you eat or drink calcium-rich foods at the same time, they can help your body handle oxalate without turning it into a kidney stone. So pair your spinach salad with low-fat cheese. Or mix nuts or berries into yogurt. Drinking milk does not cause kidney stones. Mind cheese rich in phosphorus, like Gouda cheese. Optimal ratio of P / Ca is 1 / 2.2 (Ray PEAT).
I often eat Greek yoghurt (10 % fat) or white cheese (Campina 8.8 gr fat) mixed with fresh fruit. Strawberries (4 g / 100 g is rather high in oxalate) cut into pieces or blueberries or any other season fruit if it doesn’t contain many seeds.

As long you don’t overload (maxi 50 mg), you can manage oxalate residue. 100 - 200 mg oxalate is considered as maximum amount being able to be treated, if not reached every day.

AstralPMP asked:
"Does taking citrate or vitamin C block absorption of oxalate in the gut similar to calcium?"
=> Citrate doesn’t block absorption. Citrate contributes to dilution of oxalate.
Citrate reduces CaOx crystal aggregation and aids other crystallization inhibitors. Alkaline urine reduces urine calcium excretion.
Vocabulary explanation:

• Potassium citrate or magnesium citrate makes oxalate more fluid, preventing from aggregation and then not allowing crystallization (no stone). The action is not guaranteed (40 % efficacy) (= 40% less stones by weak persons).
• If you balance well acid-basic minerals, you won’t excrete much Ca in urine.

Note: Taking high amount of sodium requires Ca from bones to balance blood Ph. Optimal ratio Na / K would be 1 / 2. I don’t follow RDA recommendation for sodium (below 2.5 gr sodium = 6 gr salt) as it’s obsolete. As long as you get enough potassium and you follow your sensation it’s going to be fine. But if you eat manufactured food, you’ll probably need an adaptation period to reset metabolic sensors (body signals).
=>

Optimal amount of daily Ca is between 800 – 1200 mg, preferably from food.

Ca amalgams with oxalate in the stomach (mainly in the stomach) and forms a soap, evacuated in stools. What is not amalgamated is got rid of through the kidneys, in urine.

Note: When excess fat is not well assimilated.
When fat is not absorbed the right way, the fat binds to calcium and leaves oxalate behind.
https://www.kidney.org/kidney-topics/calcium-oxalate-stones

Do you need to take potassium citrate or can you just get enough of it from fruits like bananas?

@sphagnum said in If You Are Eating A Higher Saturated Fat Diet, Is It Really So Bad To Have FFA Circulating?:

You asked two different questions, and made related statements so I’m not sure exactly which part(s) you wanted directly answered.

I would agree that saturated fat is both safe, and healthy when consumed in moderation. We all need dietary fat to some degree, and it’s likely by far the safest.

I would agree that saturated being a staple of many traditional diets, when those same people could have just as easily found a way to use PUFA, should encourage and not discourage its use. Many people are indoctrinated to think everything “modern” is automatically superior, though.

As for FFA: my very novice understanding is that any FFA, even from saturated fats, when elevated, can lead to insulin resistance which then leads to metabolic issues. What exactly would be considered “elevated,” and what dietary actions would lead you personally to that level, I couldn’t begin to guess at.

Basically, I’m asking if it is a healthy approach to eating.
Having saturated fat in my diet now has done so many positive things for me. I used to avoid fats of all kinds thinking they were “bad”, but studying Peat’s approach and seeing good results for myself, I like it.
I’m just wondering about the “amount” of saturated fat though.
How much is safe for the liver and how much is not?
I understand the latest science is saying saturated fat is not bad for the heart like we were told for the last 50+ years.
How much FFA for saturated fat is considered healthy for the body?
There are a lot of conflicting comments because there are those who still say “only” low fat is good.

Well, what’s correct?

To fat or not to fat, that is the question.

@CrumblingCookie said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I just put this here for your appreciation. 5th day lecture GA 177:

"We should not fool ourselves, for we are faced with a quite specific movement. At the Council of Constantinople it was decreed that the spirit did not exist; it was dogmatically stated that the human being consisted only of body and soul, and it was heresy to speak of a human spirit. In the same way attempts will be made to decree the soul, the inner life, as nonexistent.

The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.

People who think that playful ideas will help them to look ahead to the future are very much mistaken. We need serious, thorough, profound ideas to look ahead to the future. The sciences of humanities are not a game, nor just a theory; they are a true duty towards the development of humanity."

Also, any Church-affiliated Christians will always find reasons to deny and begrime Rudolf Steiner's thinkings and serious spirituality (intrinsic duplicities and superficialities aside), for it is not theirs to meddle with the dangers of the spiritual world but to rely on Christ or their instituted churchmen/bishop/exorcist or occultist/confusionist/extortionist to stand and act as a trustworthy gatekeeper between the realms in order to keep them safe and provide guidance.
Which is quite an example of self-imposed mental immaturity. Very anti-enlightenment.
Which can be alright, even a wise necessity for those who are otherwise unprepared.
Even in the best circumstances, however, it can also make you think of the story of Saruman when it comes to the middlemen being relied upon over time.

Also, by papal bull, both the corporal human being as well as the human soul are claimed by the pope, his puppeteers and shadowmen. So any Church-affiliated Christians really must not lay claim to either of these two but be content with their ascribed personae.

Have fun with this info.

Amazing isn’t it, what he wrote? He was way before his time but right on target. How can someone not appreciate his thoughts?

Anyone have an answer?

@yerrag said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I share what I posted to my viber group:

Good afternoon, I would like to share with you an exhaustive series of talks given by Rudolf Steiner made about a hundred years ago. These recordings are very interesting to listen to, if only because it gives me a window into our human development that predates Christianity, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism, and further back into what we consider Atlantis. It dwelves into the stars and the sun, into the angels such as the Thrones, and into Lucifer, and into Adam. As materialistically and scientifically and technologically wrapped as we are now, we should also look into our past to appreciate how humanity has evolved and advanced over the epochs. Despite these advances, we are somehow unable to break free from the vestiges of an earlier underdeveloped part of our humanity, being controlled by what can be considered a reptilian-minded reactionary ideology and priesthood, which has held back our development into more compassionate selves that reflect the spirit of the Buddha and the Christ.

Why the world is so makes me question many tenets deep in our faith, especially with how I felt our pope failed us in protecting us from what I feel are lies and actual bodily and societal harm. It is as if the church is one with the establishment, and the establishment not at all serving God and the common good.

Rudolf Steiner is someone I have not been familiar with, but in listening to his talks, I felt that we should have listened to- more than the standard catechism in CLE.(Christian Life Education). He has a following in the many schools named after him, where he emphasized learning and development that makes a child develop well, especially to face learning with self discovery, and to develop a critical mind that even our fabled Jesuit education has fallen short of.

He has also developed hia own system of agriculture, which is also anathema to what modern gricultural colleges would teach us.

For there is more to just getting a degree from highly credentialed schools, Ivy League or Ateneo or La Salle be damned. There is a lot out there beyond what our schools drill into our head.

But this is all I can say. If you're like me, you will be immersed in enjoying and looking forward to the next lecture in his very long series of talks. The heavy traffic in the metro is one I enjoy now, if only because this is when his talks get my undivided attention.

I think we are fortunate to be exposed to I.I (Individualized Instruction). It is as if we are used to learning on our own, at our pace, and we can easily do it alone in the privacy of our drives, meals, and walks, where we have the chance to nourish our minds.

I have been very negative about the main influencers who see their role as God's chosen people as something of an entitlement rather than as a call to serve humanity. Until I listened to these lectures. I now feel sorry for them instead. For they have seen fit to be guided by laws from an underdeveloped epoch, and still are bound by the letter of laws from an earlier time where man has not learned of the capacity to love, and are unable to accept new laws that are based on compassion and to act in the newly acquired spirit.

Here is the link to his trove of lectures:

https://rudolfsteineraudio.com/lecturesimagebased.html

n.b. Someone here shared this link with me. I want to thank him for that. I could not find the thread we were in. I would have thought searching for "Steiner" as a keyword would be a simple matter. Seems like depending on packaged search engines leave us to trust the reliability of such engines, and it has disappointed me. It is the same here as it was in the RPF. @brad nothing against you but that is the nature of tech. Which is why I subscribe to a search app service on my cellphone, and pay for it, to get good search performance.

Many of Steiner’s predictions are coming true- especially today.
I don’t care what his religious persuasions are. He was right about many things.
The information he shared is what’s important.

I find the higher saturated fat curbs my appetite, helps me maintain my weight and makes me feel good all around.

It makes my temperature go thru the roof.

I keep reading, contrary to what they’ve told us for 60 years, that saturated fat is good for you. It’s what our ancestors ate.

It’s traditional food they ate for thousands of years.

Why are so many still afraid of good saturated fat found in coconut oil, butter, dairy products, and meat?

@LetTheRedeemed said in High-fat, low-carb diet may cause obesity, anxiety (by raising serotonin), even suicide:

@Butter-Girl good question, and outside my pay grade, lol.

I'm generally a fan of the building block nutrients that restores a pathway or metabolism, rather than bypass it supplementing the end-product -- idk about the consequences of that. Let me know what you find if you try research it -- if there is knowledge that it won't retard the pathway in anyway, I'd like to try it, too.

Found this on Hans website: https://testonation.com/2020/06/05/how-to-improve-insulin-sensitivity-the-right-way/

“ Glucose oxidation promoters

Gluconeogenesis uses lactate as a precursor, so lowering lactate can help to reduce the activity of gluconeogenesis. Pyruvate dehydrogenase (PDH) is the rate limited enzyme in glucose oxidation and it’s inhibited by pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase (PDHK).

PDHK inhibitors or PDH promoters increases pyruvate oxidation and decreases the level of compounds (e.g. lactate) for gluconeogenesis in the liver. Several PDHK inhibitors are in a clinical trial including, JTT-251, AZD 2545, and leelamine which have proven effective in lowering blood glucose levels in diabetic rodent models.

Natural promoters of PDH include vitamin B1 and Pyrucet (combination of ethyl acetoacetate and ethyl pyruvate). Substances that inhibit lipolysis such as niacin and aspirin are also able to increase PDH, as fatty acids activate PDHK and inhibit PDH.”

Haidut’s article on it: https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/pyrucet-liquid-ethyl-pyruvate-aceatoacetate-mix.27487/