Experiments with transdermal hormones
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@Mulloch94 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh What's the significance of knowing them personally? Last time I checked there isn't some grand conspiracy against trenbolone. It's a substance that serves a particular purpose, and like anything, can have adverse reactions. Also 3 two week cycles isn't that much. I'm sure most people can get away with that before it becomes a huge issue. The typical tren cycle is like 10-12 weeks.
Also you're acting like the only knock on tren thus far is personal anecdotes on forums. We know from research it can elevate prolactin and downregulate serotonin autoreceptors (which isn't good). This supports some of the notable cardio effects users talk about on those forums, like tachycardia and, in extreme cases, heart failure.
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Completely reversing anhedonia only took 3x2 weeks.
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You agree that this length of time is not enough to give any harmful effect.
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Why do you keep preaching the harmfulness of these drugs then ?
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@Santosh What is the mechanism of tren fixing anhedonia? I might have to give this a try, although I think mine might be more related to low E2.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh What is the mechanism of tren fixing anhedonia? I might have to give this a try, although I think mine might be more related to low E2.
Strong androgen receptor agonism that finally wakes up the dormant receptors that haven't been used at all your whole life.
Look at how you and your generation looks like : soft cheeks, soft skin, frail looking without much muscle, thin neck, no energy.
Look at how men who were born in the 50s look like : thick leathery oily skin with strong beards, thick necks, broad shoulders, natural muscle mass without working out, very strong will and never back down when a fight comes up.
That means your receptors haven't worked much since the day you were born because of EDCs, the medications your mother took when she was pregnant, the soft way of life with computers you live.
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
What specific points make you think I do ?
Elaborate, don't just throw sarcastic questions especially while hypocritically prefacing they are genuine.
Why would I elaborate when you won't read it anyways? That's the point.
I'm not hypocritical, though. If you answer genuinely, I will too. Not everyone's like you
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@brightside said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
What specific points make you think I do ?
Elaborate, don't just throw sarcastic questions especially while hypocritically prefacing they are genuine.
Why would I elaborate when you won't read it anyways? That's the point.
I'm not hypocritical, though. If you answer genuinely, I will too. Not everyone's like you
Prefacing a question with the word "genuinely" while making this question rethorical and sarcastic is, indeed, hypocritical.
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@Santosh This is interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you mind sharing your protocol/dosing? Also why only 2 weeks and how long inbetween did you wait before starting your next 2 weeks?
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Where are people getting 96% ethanol? Is this another thing that's impossible to get in the US because it has stupid laws?
Also, is there a concern about soap residue on the skin being absorbed by DMSO application?
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@Crypt-Keeper
it's available in alberta canada -
@thyroidchor27 Ray say the average healthy male produces around 7mgs a day of testosterone. To be safe, 7mgs shouldn't shut down the gonadal axis.
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I finally got around to trying T in DMSO. Maybe 100 mg T per 1 ml DMSO was too concentrated because there were some crystals left over after application. No white residue or powder, but definitely some kind of tiny glitter on my skin that was only visible in bright light.
I tried 25mg, 100mg and 200mg applications and felt absolutely nothing different. Absolutely nothing. Like as if I smeared water on my skin (other than the DMSO burn).
This is about what I expected though. Some would be tempted to say that my powder is bunk, and maybe it is. But it confirms my suspicion that those who "feel" something from these hormones are either working with placebo, or have low testosterone to begin with. Mood, energy, strength -- nothing. Probably once you're in the high-normal range for T, blasting into the stratosphere doesn't do much more for you.
I think I will run this bottle out with 5-15mg applications once or twice a day just to help keep T in the upper range.
DMSO is awful to work with. Completely impractical for a regular basis. I'll try the (95%) ethanol formulas next.
It would be good if there was a way to pre-treat the skin with some kind of 5-ar inhibitor like topical finasteride to prevent DHT conversion. But then DMSO would bring that in and make it systemic, which you wouldn't want.
Overall I would say that I'm completely unimpressed. But microdosing T with a non-DMSO formula over the long haul might be helpful for gym purposes at least.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
I finally got around to trying T in DMSO. Maybe 100 mg T per 1 ml DMSO was too concentrated because there were some crystals left over after application. No white residue or powder, but definitely some kind of tiny glitter on my skin that was only visible in bright light.
I tried 25mg, 100mg and 200mg applications and felt absolutely nothing different. Absolutely nothing. Like as if I smeared water on my skin (other than the DMSO burn).
This is about what I expected though. Some would be tempted to say that my powder is bunk, and maybe it is. But it confirms my suspicion that those who "feel" something from these hormones are either working with placebo, or have low testosterone to begin with. Mood, energy, strength -- nothing. Probably once you're in the high-normal range for T, blasting into the stratosphere doesn't do much more for you.
I think I will run this bottle out with 5-15mg applications once or twice a day just to help keep T in the upper range.
DMSO is awful to work with. Completely impractical for a regular basis. I'll try the (95%) ethanol formulas next.
It would be good if there was a way to pre-treat the skin with some kind of 5-ar inhibitor like topical finasteride to prevent DHT conversion. But then DMSO would bring that in and make it systemic, which you wouldn't want.
Overall I would say that I'm completely unimpressed. But microdosing T with a non-DMSO formula over the long haul might be helpful for gym purposes at least.
Your powder is bunk, indeed.
There is nothing placebo about the testosterone base surge you feel in DMSO, especially when you use 100mg or more at a time.Those who have tried it know.
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Your powder is bunk, indeed.
I guess I will send it off to Janoshik since it's probably important to know what I'm taking into my body with DMSO.
I found it strange that PPL had a message on their website saying not to test with Janoshik and anyone who posted results from them on a forum would be banned from buying again.
Guess I'll look elsewhere for raws.
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Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co seems to get good reviews on other forums. I’m going to try an order of base with them soon. Same formula with DMSO. First time I’ve used any exogenous test. We’ll see how it goes.
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@Mallard6146 said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co seems to get good reviews on other forums. I’m going to try an order of base with them soon. Same formula with DMSO. First time I’ve used any exogenous test. We’ll see how it goes.
Let us know your experience. I'm getting cold feet on the legal aspect of some of this stuff (paranoia) but would love to continue experimenting nevertheless since I find all of this so interesting.
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@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
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@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Your powder is bunk, indeed.
I guess I will send it off to Janoshik since it's probably important to know what I'm taking into my body with DMSO.
I found it strange that PPL had a message on their website saying not to test with Janoshik and anyone who posted results from them on a forum would be banned from buying again.
Guess I'll look elsewhere for raws.
Nothing strange about this, they just don't want you to claim a refund based on a testing piece of paper that could have been after you sending anything to Jano.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
"Slightly different characteristics" in that the DHT that PPL sent me is a lot more fine; it's almost like powdered sugar. The T base they sent me is definitely a larger particle size, not quite the size of granulated sugar but definitely not as fine as the DHT. If I touch the DHT powder it's fine enough to get into my fingerprint grooves, and needs to be rinsed off; whereas the T base is not and can simply be brushed off. So they definitely sent me two different substances. I can tell my looking at them and feeling them that they are not the same.
And there are plenty of people out there that have claimed to get bunk from PPL. And why wouldn't PPL send out a certain percentage of their shipments as bunk? Customers have no recourse. It's not like they can call the police about it. And anybody who complains about it on a forum is accused of posting a "fake review". PPL simply says that everybody is lying, which is very convenient.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
"Slightly different characteristics" in that the DHT that PPL sent me is a lot more fine; it's almost like powdered sugar. The T base they sent me is definitely a larger particle size, not quite the size of granulated sugar but definitely not as fine as the DHT. If I touch the DHT powder it's fine enough to get into my fingerprint grooves, and needs to be rinsed off; whereas the T base is not and can simply be brushed off. So they definitely sent me two different substances. I can tell my looking at them and feeling them that they are not the same.
And there are plenty of people out there that have claimed to get bunk from PPL. And why wouldn't PPL send out a certain percentage of their shipments as bunk? Customers have no recourse. It's not like they can call the police about it. And anybody who complains about it on a forum is accused of posting a "fake review". PPL simply says that everybody is lying, which is very convenient.
I order from PPL every 3 months since 2019 and send a sample everytime to Jano.
Everything comes back at 98% purity.
