@raytreats for middle delts literally just spam lateral raises until you can do 50+lbs. Front delts you hit with bench pressing Rear delts you should target specifically. Very impt for boulder shoulders

You may want to make sure that it isn't a tendon injury due to straining or repetitive motion, carpal tunnel / tennis elbow or similar. I know for some carpal tunnel can take a while to resolve depending on how they treat it. I would go very easy, or even abstain, on the forearms in the meantime till you figure it out or it clears up.

Thanks for the replies. I'll have a look into the DC programme I've heard of it before but never tried it. It's a good point about the concentric, I'm going to try speeding it up to 2-3s and just keep the eccentric phase slower. I've read people say it should be harder on the joints but I get no joint pain at all when I do this very slow and controlled method and it always comes back it I start going faster and more explosive, even with good form. Reckon I'll stick with the slower tempo to keep my joints feeling good and just focus on everything else nutrition and lifestyle wise to make sure I'm minimizing any negative impact from it.

@samson niacin inhibits lypolisis does it not?

@RayPeatFan Good catches, am not as picky with certain excipients if it's only a bottle or two (1/2 price discount) Relentless Improvement looks like a good find!

@EustaceBagge totally. I agree completely.

@Nikolai You could try Dried Fruit (Mango, Dates, Raisins) Butter Raw Cheese Raw Cream Maple Syrup Coconut Milk Ice Cream

@TexugoDoMel cool studies. thanks Sounds like gel can also be used to enhance absorption of co2 through bag bathing (where usually water does that in baths) , so can apply it somewhere to enhance a local area effect {they used glycerin aka glycerol as part of the gel in one of the studies. which should be safe topically as endogenous compound} Gel only: The CO2 paste was obtained from CO2Tech (Kobe, Japan) and contained 1,3‐butylene glycol, sodium hydrogen carbonate (bicarb), malic acid, sodium dihydrogen phosphate, alkyl‐modified carboxyvinyl polymer, and carboxyvinyl polymer Because of its relatively high solubility, CO2 gas dissolves in the hydrogel. The dissolved CO2 then permeates the skin, moving down its concentration gradient when the maximum solubility in the hydrogel is reached. Our previous study showed that CO2 penetrated human tissue by this system {more than bag bathing without the gel?} transcutaneous CO2 absorption-accelerating hydrogel, (Formulation: carbomer (0.65%), glycerin (5.00%), sodium hydroxide (0.18%), sodium alginate (0.15%), sodium dihydrogen phosphate (0.15%), methylparaben (0.10%), and deionized water (balance)) In this system, the CO2 hydrogel is applied to the skin to allow CO2 to dissolve and penetrate into the local tissue, which humidifies the skin without bathing, thereby forming a passage for CO2 to reach the local tissues. This system allows for the easy application of CO2 to any site of the body. When we applied CO2 transcutaneously using this system, sweating and redness of the skin were noted. In addition, the blood flow to the fingers increased [image: 1719393648358-7fe7a6fa-6599-49eb-8c11-8dcf70106fff-image.png] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3169585/ this one just using co2 in water for 10 mins daily gave nice results for restoring blood flow & vessels (but not systemic effect, local to limbs used on) https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.0000159329.40098.66 , amazing for just 10 minutes daily , 1g co2 per liter of water (get that from 2g bicarb + 2.5g citric acid) [image: 1719410935182-49df7629-a13e-44ef-bf42-3eeea5610283-image.png]

@jamezb46 kewl

@Sokolov honestly optimize hormones, get your thyroid in order and eat a slight surplus while being reasonably active. You should gain muscle. For example reasonably active would be chopping wood, moving furniture, taking the stairs always, parking (if you drive a car) at the end of the street and walking longer, if you take a bus or trolley-getting off a stop early or late and walking, cleaning your tub or shower every two days or so, etc. just never slouch on chores, and have the energy to want to do them.

@mangala Can you expand on the positions you start in?

Do steroids actually suppress cortisol production / serum cortisol, or do they just reduce their binding affinity to AR and GR in skeletal muscle?

@BioEclectic I will try that. And I completely agree, that much cardio is bad, and individuals who make 'sport' of it seriously have something wrong with them (goggins poopy pants) . In the end I am just trying to figure out why my muscles give out before my actual "tiredness" and breath give out. For most people it is the other wat around, no?

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@Jakeandpace Nature is objectively more restorative in terms of lowering stress and increasing androgens. Walking in the city has its own uses as you interact more with humans and can get inspired by human eminence.