@jamezb46 Who knows how really safe something like methylated androsterone would be on a daily basis. I think oral/sublingual androsterone works pretty well on it's own. I've heard of sublingual Anavar being used as a pre-workout. Whether the damage of oral steroids is related to estrogen or not, which I'm not sure I buy that, I'd still be wary of taking oral steroids for a long period of time and or at a high dose.