Posts made by Peatful

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful Eating sucrose isn't the same as glucose therapy. Sucrose can definitely cause BS spikes. And I've eaten sucrose for years but continued to decline. Glucose therapy is definitely not to be confused with regular sugar in high amounts (which I won't do).

I am stating that’s what I did and it worked for me

I listened to some of the YouTube interview you posted above, and I found him humble and quite precious

But he did call glucose and dextrose interchangeable

And I went about my healing with food only
No supplements
No protocols

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful How long did you take glucose?

I didn’t do that.
I just ate an abundance of simple carbohydrates, mostly in the form of sucrose for about a year.

To not stress my adrenals, I was trying to take in that much sugar with a balanced amount of fats and proteins so my adrenals would not work over time trying to regulate my blood sugar

I was in extremely bad health mind you
Not hyperbole

Again, this is voice to text

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful I'm taking 200+ grams daily (a week in). I haven't needed a trip to the hospital yet.

Hey, this is voice recognition. Thanks for the update.

Yes, the way I did it I would not recommend which was going all in

Now my outcome was good, but the journey was indescribably rough,
but my body didn’t fail me and it knew what to do

@NNight said in High Metabolism Keto possible?:

@Peatful
About Jimmy Moore (https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/apbzv7/comment/eg7c7f0/) :

He's a glutton, that's the explanation. He gorges himself on unlimited fat and calories and eats low protein. He thinks if you don't eat HUGE amounts of fat, you become 'fat deficient'

It looks like the kcal haven't made him any favor.

Thanks

Im not looking at reddit comments for understanding - but physiology.

@Androsclerozat said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

I don't know. I've been dextrosed 300g day for 4 days and it changed me. I sleep well, I don't get sugar crashes anymore but man kills my appetite. I eat way less and I don't lose weight, maybe it's water weight from insulin spikes?

I would say this would be expected
Especially if your cells are in a stressed state

Evan has had great results because he was eating (not sure for how long) a healthy amount of calories and or carbohydrates.

This is based on some physiology and some personal experience.

Lots to add here

But I’ll keep this brief

1- have you heard of long keto expert Jimmy Moore? Check him out. It will be relevant with a small search- and speak volumes.

2- I have to assume- most of this exfat guys health comes from robust kcal not magical keto.

3- attacking Ray Peat is infantile imo. High estrogen or serotonin. Who knows. But it doesn’t help his optics.

@yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful

But you're still insisting fructose and lactose turns into glucose before it reaches the brain. I don't know about lactose, but fructose does not have to turn intobglucose to be absorbed and metabolized.

Unless I'm reading wrongly in Peat's early articles on fructose.

From my understanding
Mono (ie: fructose) and di (ie: lactose)
Both are converted into glucose before reaching the brain

Starches different story of course

If dextrose is mono
And it does differ from di
Maybe that’s why it’s recommended by this guy?

Just thought of something

Im saying mono and disaccharides are the same once turned to glucose….
Same energy per gram….

Lactose.
Fructose
Sucrose
Etc

I stand corrected if im wrong here

@yerrag said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful

I don't think sucrose turns into glucose. Half of sucrose is glucose. Half of it is fructose. Both are metabolized. There are other sugars out there like lactose. It is also metabolized. But there are some that aren't.

Ray has spoken highly n earlier articles of fructose. In the way that it is more easily absorbed and metabolized. So clearly, it does not turn into glucose as you would say it does.

Yes

Im not talking about the processing

Fructose differs in structure etc from lactose obviously
Etc etc etc

Im saying
We drink fructose (once processed)
“Oh. Glucose to our brain.”
We drink lactose (once processed)
“Oh. Glucose to our brain”

But of course they have different properties
They are two different “foods”

Now
This differs from starch vs sugar
Although starchy carbs “turn to glucose”
Very different

@S-Holmes mm-hmm

@S-Holmes

This?

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/high-sugar-diet-prolongs-survival-in-als-patients.3301/

A high SUGAR diet
And thar happens to be dextrose?

It’s about sugar
Not dextrose per say as far as I understand

Experiment
Have fun
Enjoy the journey

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes I love that those little Smarties candies are made with 100% dextrose/glucose. 1 roll contains 6 or 7 grams of dextrose. Someone named them appropriately it seems. I bought some in bulk from Amazon. My little grandbabies are always getting bumps and bruises out here on our farm so Smarties (and Arnica montana) to the rescue!

This is great
Load up and enjoy
Unless they are loaded with citric acid

For reference
Just in case

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/manufactured-citric-acid-is-a-powerful-inflammatory-allergy-agent.41954/

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful The gist of the protocol is to skip all of the various conversions and provide glucose directly to the brain.

“Protocol”
Please note

There is nothing new under the sun

Although I haven’t read nor watched this guy
This is just “marketing”

The title of the thread is: Glucose loading cures everything?

All sugars turn into glucose
Nothing magical about dextrose as far as I understand Peat

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

Apologies...I meant glucose protocol, not sucrose.

Hey
All sugars turn into glucose in our body
Lactose, dextrose, sucrose etc

Yes?

@tubert said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful Could you please explain how you incorporated high quantities of sucrose into your diet? Thanks

Hey there, this is voice recognition.

I would love to help out
But context is so important around any health data in my opinion

So rather than me, spitting out a bunch of information
Do you wanna just tell me kind of where you’re at or what specifically are you looking to heal?

Dietary history here is paramount as well as just where your health lands today

Big Mike on the wayyyyyy

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

Yes
I had odd symptoms
Troubling ones
But transient

I had significant weight gain
But
That was not about the sugar or the foods
The weight gain reflected the damage already done in my body

It was so much fluid
And
As said above
With any history of restriction or stress
You will start with your cells unable to get the sugar in
But it gets better
Your body has to relearn

Maybe this will help give you an idea?

Im around today
Jyst need to run now

Thx

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/reintroducing-peaty-eating-after-very-low-carb-low-calorie.50945/

Just visited the RPF

So bizarre

The questions in this thread have again mostly been discussed by Ray
If not directly
Meaning not told exactly “how to do it”
This is where we are to perceive think act

From my personal experience
And I healed from extremely poor health to now the greatest health I’ve ever had
Sugar was absolutely foundational
A foundation is what we build upon

But
Im here to say
As I said over there

Stress hormones desensitize the insulin receptor
From birth to now, most of us have had some sort of stress that is shaped our experience of our health
With chronic stress comes many things all of which desensitizes the insulin receptor

When you reintroduce sugar your body is essentially already in an insulin resistant state
The stress hormones flooding your system overtime have desensitized the insulin receptor so insulin cannot drive glucose into the cell anymore….

I point this out because the more I used this wonderful “nutrient”
The more I was able to handle it and really reap the benefits of using it not only in relatively large quantities- my ability to utilize it as a therapeutic tool only got better and better
But the beginning was rough
Really rough
Due to my stressed metabolic state

Anyway
Just stunned that Ray isn’t understood nor acknowledged on his own forum
I grieve that shit

Please listen to him here
He addresses a lot iirc

A prophet
A genius
And a friend

https://youtu.be/Lx96YYKvA9w?si=uJ6_sgEe5z9A_mKJ

@insufferable said in Is bodybuilding bad?:

I think so.

It's freakish, not beautiful. The desire to get unnaturally big is a psychological problem, people still felt it was bizarre as late as the 2000's. Excess muscle is bad for fitness.

This goes for the 1940's steroid-free lifters too.

Agree

Disordered eating
Body dysmorphia

Ill relationship to food and to oneself

@Kvirion said in Apology:

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Apology:

Thanks for sticking up for free speech.

Yep, moreover... It's good to remember that we need a basic set of rules and proper initial conditions to keep things free.

As Ray would say a system needs energy and structure.

A system without any rules is just chaos... I have written more about it here https://bioenergetic.forum/post/23589

You heard this thought:
Without vision or leadership; people perish.
(Grossly paraphrased on my behalf)

Structure is paramount
And
What rules the structure is the way the organism/organization will trend

Ie: our ruling metabolism.

Or relevant here- Charlie’s pathology.
Or the illness of any gatekeeper.
The energy.

Whomever creates or enforces these guardrails-
Needs to be well.