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  • Scientific papers, books, blog posts. Discussion of whatever you find interesting and notable.

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    Abstract Background The Metabolic Syndrome (MetS) is highly prevalent and associated with an increased risk for Type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Lifestyle recommendations to treat MetS often include the replacement of saturated fats (SFA) and monosacharides with unsaturated fat. However, it is unclear whether metabolic parameters will improve more when the saturated fat in American Heart Association (AHA) diets is replaced with higher concentrations of mono or poly-unsaturated fatty acids (MUFA, PUFA). Objective To test the hypothesis that an AHA diet enriched in MUFA improves lipoprotein lipids, insulin resistance, inflammation and endothelial function to a greater extent than a diet enriched in PUFA in middle-aged men and women with MetS. Methods A prospective, open-label, parallel group design with randomization to a hypocaloric MUFA or PUFA enriched diet following weight stabilization on an AHA Step I diet. Participants consumed 3 MUFA or PUFA enriched muffins daily with additional supplementation as required to ensure 25-50% increases in dietary fat intake from these sources at the expense of SFA and the opposing unsaturated fat. Changes in MetS components were measured at baseline and after 6 months of dietary intervention. Results Thirty-nine participants (mean age 60.8 years, 79% African-American, 60% women) with MetS completed the 6-month study. Compared to baseline, assignment to either MUFA (n=23) or PUFA (n=16) both were associated with weight loss (WL) (MUFA: −2.3±1 kg, P=0.06; PUFA: −4.6±2 kg; P=0.002), but PUFA was also associated with reductions in triglycerides (TG) (−30±18 mg/dL, P=0.02), systolic blood pressure (BP) (−7±3 mmHg, P=0.01), diastolic BP (DBP) (−4±2 mmHg, P=0.01) and improved flow mediated dilation (FMD) (7.1±1.8% vs. 13.6±2%, absolute increase; P=0.0001). When compared to MUFA treatment, PUFA intervention was associated with reduced TG (P=0.04) and DBP (P=0.07) as well as increased FMD (P=0.04) even after adjustment for changes in weight. There was no effect on total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C), glucose, high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) or other inflammatory proteins. Overall, 25% (4 of 16) assigned to PUFA and 13% (3 of 23) to MUFA converted to non-MetS status. Conclusion Substitution of SFA with PUFA in patients with MetS is associated with greater reductions in TG and improvement in endothelial function than MUFA that is independent of WL. These preliminary findings raise the possibility that PUFA may be the unsaturated fat of choice to reduce cardiometabolic risk in patients with MetS. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5010036/ The conflict you’ve highlighted is the central battleground between Bioenergetic (Ray Peat) principles and Mainstream Lipid Science. To understand why a study like the MUFFIN study shows positive results for Polyunsaturated Fats (PUFA) while Ray Peat viewed them as metabolic toxins, we have to look at the different metrics they prioritize: short-term blood markers versus long-term cellular stability. 1. The Chemical Difference: Why Peat Opposed PUFA Ray Peat’s primary argument against PUFAs (like those found in soybean, corn, and sunflower oils) was based on their chemical structure. PUFAs have multiple "double bonds." Saturated Fats (SFA): Have no double bonds. They are straight, stable, and resistant to heat and oxygen. Polyunsaturated Fats (PUFA): Have multiple double bonds. These bonds are "open" sites where oxygen can attack, leading to lipid peroxidation. According to Peat, when these unstable fats are incorporated into human tissues (cell membranes and mitochondria), they make the body more susceptible to oxidative stress, inhibit thyroid function, and promote the formation of age pigments (lipofuscin). 2. Analyzing the MUFFIN Study through a "Peat" Lens The MUFFIN study found that PUFAs were superior to Monounsaturated Fats (MUFA) for improving triglycerides and blood pressure in patients with Metabolic Syndrome. A follower of Ray Peat would likely critique these findings using the following arguments: A. The Weight Loss Confounding Factor In the study, the PUFA group lost significantly more weight (-4.6 kg) than the MUFA group (-2.3 kg). The Mainstream View: PUFAs might improve insulin sensitivity, leading to better weight loss. The Peat View: PUFAs are known to be "pro-metabolic" only in the sense that they can be toxic to the mitochondria, sometimes causing a "wasting" effect or a stress-induced increase in metabolic rate. Peat often argued that PUFAs interfere with the body's ability to store energy efficiently, which might show up as weight loss but at the cost of increased systemic stress. B. The "Blood Clearing" Effect vs. Tissue Accumulation The study focuses on Triglycerides (TG) and Flow Mediated Dilation (FMD). The Mainstream View: Lowering triglycerides in the blood is a sign of improved cardiovascular health. The Peat View: PUFAs lower blood lipids because they are easily oxidized and "pulled" out of the blood into the tissues, or because they inhibit the liver's ability to release glucose and fats. Peat argued that having lower fats in the blood isn't a benefit if those fats are being stored in your cell membranes, where they remain vulnerable to turning into toxic byproducts like acrolein and 4-HNE. C. The Randle Cycle (Glucose Competition) Ray Peat’s work heavily emphasized the Randle Cycle, a metabolic process where the oxidation of fats inhibits the oxidation of glucose. Peat argued that PUFAs are particularly effective at blocking the "burning" of sugar. While the MUFFIN study suggests improved "metabolic management," Peat would argue that over the long term, high PUFA intake forces the body into a state of "fat-burning" that mimics diabetes at a cellular level, suppressing the more efficient oxidative metabolism of glucose. 3. Why the results differ The MUFFIN study and Ray Peat are essentially looking at two different things: Feature Mainstream/MUFFIN Study Focus Ray Peat/Bioenergetic Focus Primary Goal Lowering blood markers (TG, BP, LDL). Increasing metabolic rate and CO2 production. Timeframe Short-term (6 months). Decades of tissue accumulation. Mechanism PUFAs as "essential" signaling molecules. PUFAs as "anti-thyroid" and oxidative toxins. Endothelial Health Measured via blood flow (FMD). Measured via resistance to lipid peroxidation. Summary The MUFFIN study provides evidence that for obese individuals with metabolic syndrome, replacing saturated fats with PUFA can lead to rapid improvements in clinical biomarkers (blood pressure and triglycerides). Ray Peat would counter that these improvements are superficial. He would argue that the participants are trading "good-looking" blood tests for long-term "rotten" cellular membranes. From a Peat perspective, the "metabolic syndrome" is caused by a lack of sugar oxidation, and adding PUFAs—even if they lower blood pressure in the short term—further suppresses the thyroid and the body's ability to use oxygen properly.
  • Websites, newsletters, articles, podcasts, interviews, explainers, books, and other resources that relate to the work of Dr. Raymond Peat.

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    I noticed the reprint of Nutrition for Women says "100 short articles by Ray Peat, PHD," where the old one said "92...". What did they add to it? Also, note that From PMS to Menopause is for sale on Peat's website but not Amazon, and Peat's website doesn't have Generative Energy. Weird. I wonder if Katherine gets more of the money if you order from Peat's site. I'd imagine so.
  • Do you have a question? You can post it here, but you will only receive unqualified personal opinions and NOT medical advice in any shape or form. If something seems like medical advice but it's posted in this category, it's actually a personal opinion.

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    @awawat there’s more where that came from ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Also, I would consider your rT3 levels if you’ve taken only T4 with no results for a while. Peat talked about success with low doses over a course of 6-24 months. Maybe you could play with higher ratios of t3 to t4 in your lunch and dinner doses. Danny Roddy probably has the most complied info on practical thyroid use, between convos with Peat, and feedback with health coaching. I think he might have a concise vid on using thyroid on YouTube
  • From medical devices to supplements. Red lights, CO2 tanks, large trash bags, kuinone, and more.

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    @saturnuscv which brand pharma oxandroloine?
  • Recipes, food, meal prep, brands. Discuss them all here.

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    @Mossy, thank you for understanding. I’ve been taking advantage of the beautiful weather we’ve been having here and helping my dad build up the endurance he lost since having the flu in January so I’ve been away from my computer and the forum more, lately. I think the thread’s title should read Cooking With Mossy because you’re far more ambitious and precise with your cooking than I am. You remind me of my brother. While I hardly ever measure ingredients and prefer using my senses—for example, I can tell by smell when something is done baking—my brother is methodical and likes following detailed instructions. I joke that it’s because he’s a Virgo, a sign known for its meticulous attention to detail, sometimes to its own detriment, and that if you want something done to perfection, hire a person with Virgo (or Capricorn) placements. I’m so glad you’ve made strides with your health and with your level of dedication, I have no doubt that you’ll continue to. I think my success with thyroid is a reflection of my long-standing deficiency, having had an under-active thyroid since birth and certain stressful experiences like molestation that suppressed it further. I think the average person with a healthier history could improve their thyroid function with diet and lifestyle changes alone. Having overcome the trauma, my need to supplement is minimal now outside of winter so I’m hopeful it will eventually be unnecessary. I’ve been a swimmer since I was in utero —in fact, one of my earliest memories is me as a baby in our pool wishing my mum had put me in the blue floaty she put my cousin in, instead of the red floaty I was in because even barely out of the womb I had strong preferences and don’t care for red lol—so I don’t actually fear I would drown, but I can see myself getting tossed around like a beach ball. However, it’s not mastering surfing that I’m after, but the surfer’s relaxed lifestyle and mindset. I could easily spend hours floating in the ocean on a surfboard (or steamer trunk—shout-out to Joe ), never catching a wave, and be in total bliss if I was in the flow, just being water, my friend. Haha! Fair enough. My dad isn’t a finger tapper, though. I sometimes wish he was because it has been a struggle getting him to eat, especially since his cancer treatments. I used to make all his meals in bulk on Mondays and he would just pull whatever he wanted out of the freezer and reheat it in the microwave throughout the week, but I’m having to make him all his meals daily now because he won’t eat otherwise. LOL at ask Jennifer. I’ve been collecting random knowledge in preparation for if I’m ever a contestant on a game show. I’m convinced with each fact I gather that no matter how useless, it will be the answer to the question that stands between me and the grand prize so it goes in the memory bank. Even if there is credibility to the claimed benefits of sprouting and fermenting, it sounds like grains are only a fraction of your diet so I personally would stick with the flour that’s been working for you. You’re already eliminating the worst offenders (IMO)—the franken ingredients—by baking from scratch. The only reason I like sprouted flour is because I find it sweeter and as a devout Wonka follower, the sweeter the better. My dad doesn’t eat a ton of grains, anyway.
  • Discussing pistol squats, concentric exercise, resting, and other forms of strength training.

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    @sunsunsun thx sushi
  • Low salt diet and water restriction

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    @Razvan Manganese is interesting as it's part of the SOD2 enzyme which is particularly needed in case of "dehydration". Empirically, I've also found it to gave me what (the energy) you described. But I don't believe it stayed that way very long, I don't remember well. Also, manganese is interesting as it seems to do positive things regarding the AQP4 aquaporin, which is involved in the glymphatic system (cleansing system of the brain). In brain, astrocytes predominantly take up and accumulate manganese and are thus vulnerable to its toxicity. Manganese was shown to induce cell swelling in cultured astrocytes, and oxidative/nitrosative stress (ONS) mediates such swelling. As aquaporin-4 (AQP4) is important in the mechanism of astrocyte swelling, we examined the effect of manganese on AQP4 protein levels in cultured astrocytes. Treatment of cultures with manganese increased AQP4 protein in the plasma membrane (PM), whereas total cellular AQP4 protein and mRNA levels were unchanged, suggesting that increased AQP4 levels is due to its increased stability and/or increased trafficking to the PM and not to its neosynthesis. Aquaporin-4 in manganese-treated cultured astrocytes They talk about AQP4 in negative terms here but it really seems to be fundamental for the glymphatic system, for example: CSF transport is facilitated by the expression of aquaporin-4 (AQP4) water channels on the perivascular endfeet of astrocytes. Mice with genetic deletion of AQP4 (AQP4 KO) exhibit abnormalities in the brain structure and molecular water transport. Loss of aquaporin-4 results in glymphatic system dysfunction via brain-wide interstitial fluid stagnation
  • PUFA & weight loss

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    @LucH thank you for the "in depth" reply.
  • Danny Roddy on "avoid liquid thyroid"

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    @Harlock hmmm, I feel like there is a large difference between people who are on the skinny hypothyroid side versus the fat hypothyroid side. I'm on the fat side and had to up my dose of thyroid by several times to feel anything. I have used tyronene, tyromix, and tyromax. Tyromax was really the only one that needs to be shaken thoroughly to be sure of the dose, but even then, I've taken high thyroid doses through Forefront NDT both the 130mg and the 65mg (65mg is what I take now). I feel like thyroid can certainly be dangerous, but we're talking about 2 different types of hypothyroidism sometimes. Maybe people who need super specific doses of thyroid are different than those like me who can down 130 mg of T3/T4 mix about 1:4-ish. Then lower to 65 mg with the same ratio with minimal change in effect... Idk, I understand Danny wants to stay true to RP, but I'm into Bulgarian dark peating lol.
  • countertop reverse osmosis filter

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    @RealNeat Do you know where I would be able to get a aquanui or similar filter in the UK?
  • Increasing DHT

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    @Crypt-Keeper What I meant by 100ml was to ease the equation, so if you want a 5% solution with 5g dht, you would need 100ml dmso, but if you want a 5% solution with 2.5g dht, you need 50ml dmso. About the moisturizer, good point, but dmso itself is very liquidy so some gel like substance like pure aloe vera could make application easier. Totally not needed though. So if you dissolved 5grams of dht into 100ml dmso, the concentration would be 5%, and if you applied 1ml of that solution, you would get 50mg dht. PS: The prior post talks about milligrams instead of grams so mb.
  • What do you all think about Goatis aka Sv3rige?

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    @EustaceBagge said in What do you all think about Goatis aka Sv3rige?: I agree with you, he looks very calm and has nice skin that is not just superficially good looking but has a great quality to it. [image: YxeQeT.gif]
  • "Glucose Loading" protocol, a la Dr Stephens - A Critique

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    @LetTheRedeemed said in "Glucose Loading" protocol, a la Dr Stephens - A Critique: @Janelle525 yes. I’m definitely at the pinnacle of my salt intake, haha. I lowered my sugar consumption, or at least balanced it with spreading out my protein intake, and the headaches went away. That was a while ago. And I definitely still consume quite a bit of sugar: several sodas/juice/sweat teas per day, plus spoonfuls of honey with milk, and ice cream. I’ve definitely found my max sugar capacity Haha okay!
  • Transdermal Application Poll

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    I'm going to not vote because I haven't felt an effect from anything I've put anywhere transdermally yet. Although I've only tried arms, tops of feet, stomach and navel.
  • threonine/serine - can this substitute glycine?

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  • got palpiatations eating butter

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    Are you sure it is the heart? I think it could be the gallbladder secreting more bile acid to digest the butter, sometimes it happens to me after a fat heavy meal.
  • Sonoluminescence

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    @cs3000 said in Sonoluminescence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLw5nyu_Pk Wow that's extremely interesting. The comments under the video are amazing as well. I had to think about the ying-yang symbol. You have the fire in the water here , representing the white dot in the black part of the symbol. But someone applied to the Bible or the Egyptian pyramids as well. The theory existed for ages that the Egyptians used sound for building the pyramids, maybe they also created electricity with it. And in the Bible god says he is a pillar of fire in the night and a pillar of clouds during the day. Again, representing the one which combines opposites in itself, as shown in the ying-yang symbol. Seems like this hits some core truth of reality. I find the idea of making electricity from this intriguing. Even if tis not enough for fusion, it's still at least tens of thousands degrees warm, which is quite something. Can we produce this phenomenon by ourselves ?
  • Progest E for europe

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    UK: https://www.balancedbodymind.com/shop/p/progesterone Norway: https://detox.no/products/progest-e Kenogen once wrote in a reply to my mail, that it is a 50/50 chance of the parcel goin through customs (germany), and the packages from norway may receive less scrutiny than packages incoming from the US. Keith from the UK store said its usually fine but austria and spain no chance
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  • radioactivity of potassium

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    @the-MOUSE Doesn't affect us. We don't keep a ton of KCl at home. We don't even use KCl except for replacing NaCl, and we hardly do if we're really Peaters‐ as we like salt and we don't have to substitute it with KCl. There are other things we could do with our time.
  • Kurzgesagt argues that exercise does not cause weight loss

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    @Hearthfire said in Kurzgesagt argues that exercise does not cause weight loss: Anyone who denies that calorie deficit + working out = weight loss, is FAT. Fair. With a possible rebound and disoriented sense of need at an extreme. If a person wants to rest a regime. But the opposite is a (mainstream) anomaly in many.
  • No starch?

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    I couldn’t really digest starch until I decided to start combining it with a moderate amount of fat, now it digests perfectly. Try making your own fries/chips using coconut oil and butter adding butter to rice etc. A baked potato with plenty of butter. When I have rice or potatoes without much fat it is often a gamble whether it will digest well.
  • what is the link between potassium and baldness?

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    @wester130 I'm no expert on this, but I think it's strongly related to hair loss, but then again K is related to nearly everything. Mg is probably more important to counteracting the effects of excess Ca than anything. And Mg helps preserve K as well.
  • Can I replace water with milk?

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    @short_hope I drink 1.5+ liters of whole milk, orange juice, grape juice, lots of coffee w/ milk (throughout the day), occasional coconut water, fizzy drinks with sucrose/glucose. Fluid content in the foods we eat (whole fruit, etc.) is often not included as it should be (or not easy to quantify) when people think about their fluid intake. I grew up with parents very interested in health food and maintaining good hydration. And I raised my children pushing frequent water consumption on them, which I now regret (before reading Ray Peat on 'salt to taste' and dangers of excess water intake). I think excessive worry about dehydration and excess water intake worked against my health objectives. I'm now feeling like good metabolic health has been finally achieved (last 5-8 years) after stopping water drinking. Of course still using water to cook soup/broth, boil potatoes, etc.
  • Acipimox, NMN, Niacinamide and Nicotinamide Riboside

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