@sunsunsun said:
apparently detection of viruses in ill people isnt really proof that this is causing the illness
This is obviously true. You can observe all sorts of things on a sick person that probably have no effect on them being sick, like dandruff. Many sick people have dandruff, but is dandruff the cause of the illness?
Even just sticking with microbes, it's obviously true. Both sick and healthy people have a gut biome, which is made up of several strains of bacteria, numbering into the trillions of individual cells. In any so called "viral" disease, the presence of trillions of bacteria in the gut are overlooked as a factor. Truthfully, even other "viruses" are neglected to be tested. As an example, when people were tested for the "Novel Corona Virus," they neglected to test for all the previous "Corona Viruses," as well as other "common cold and flu viruses." If you ran tests for 20 different "viruses" that are thought to cause cold and flu symptoms (and therefore, "Covid Symptoms" because there is a 100% overlap), and 7 came back positive, how could you claim that any single "virus" was responsible for the symptoms?
It's actually worse than that, because EVERY "virus detection" test is actually a surrogate test. There is no way to directly test for ANY virus, not for the general public or in scientific studies. If there is no way to directly detect any virus, then how can you possibly create a remotely accurate surrogate test? Simply stated, there isn't, and in the case of Covid, the hundreds of millions of "asymptomatic patients" prove that.
some people say covid isnt real, there's that tanksnowgood guy on rpf who constantly goes on about how there no such thing. when I got wuflu (I assume thats what it was) I got obscenely ill for 2 weeks and also experienced the weird sewage smell stuff and various other similar weird symptoms a lot of people describe.
The claim that "covid isn't real" is really a claim that the alleged "Novel Corona Virus," aka SARS-Cov2 doesn't exist. Obviously, the symptoms people got when they got so called Covid are real. Things like coughing and fever can be easily observed in the real world. But the symptoms don't prove the cause.
If you read the "Covid Isolation Reports," you can see that in truth, they never "isolated" anything. They took a sample from a sick person, along with all the potential other microbes, added to it a mixture of monkey kidney cells (aka, Vero cells), some antibiotics, some digestive enzymes like trypsin, Fetal Bovine serum, and cultured it in a medium that didn't provide adequate nutrients for cell survival. Then, when the cells showed signs of dying or breaking apart, they claimed that it was the result of an alleged "virus," and dismissed concepts like cell starvation, or the cell being poisoned by the antibiotics, or being ripped apart from the digestive enzymes. Since these "isolation tests" are the ONLY proof of a virus, the conclusion a lot of people have drawn is that SARS-Cov2 (and likely all other viruses) don't actually exist.
