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  • Scientific papers, books, blog posts. Discussion of whatever you find interesting and notable.

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    Abstract Background The Metabolic Syndrome (MetS) is highly prevalent and associated with an increased risk for Type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Lifestyle recommendations to treat MetS often include the replacement of saturated fats (SFA) and monosacharides with unsaturated fat. However, it is unclear whether metabolic parameters will improve more when the saturated fat in American Heart Association (AHA) diets is replaced with higher concentrations of mono or poly-unsaturated fatty acids (MUFA, PUFA). Objective To test the hypothesis that an AHA diet enriched in MUFA improves lipoprotein lipids, insulin resistance, inflammation and endothelial function to a greater extent than a diet enriched in PUFA in middle-aged men and women with MetS. Methods A prospective, open-label, parallel group design with randomization to a hypocaloric MUFA or PUFA enriched diet following weight stabilization on an AHA Step I diet. Participants consumed 3 MUFA or PUFA enriched muffins daily with additional supplementation as required to ensure 25-50% increases in dietary fat intake from these sources at the expense of SFA and the opposing unsaturated fat. Changes in MetS components were measured at baseline and after 6 months of dietary intervention. Results Thirty-nine participants (mean age 60.8 years, 79% African-American, 60% women) with MetS completed the 6-month study. Compared to baseline, assignment to either MUFA (n=23) or PUFA (n=16) both were associated with weight loss (WL) (MUFA: −2.3±1 kg, P=0.06; PUFA: −4.6±2 kg; P=0.002), but PUFA was also associated with reductions in triglycerides (TG) (−30±18 mg/dL, P=0.02), systolic blood pressure (BP) (−7±3 mmHg, P=0.01), diastolic BP (DBP) (−4±2 mmHg, P=0.01) and improved flow mediated dilation (FMD) (7.1±1.8% vs. 13.6±2%, absolute increase; P=0.0001). When compared to MUFA treatment, PUFA intervention was associated with reduced TG (P=0.04) and DBP (P=0.07) as well as increased FMD (P=0.04) even after adjustment for changes in weight. There was no effect on total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C), glucose, high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) or other inflammatory proteins. Overall, 25% (4 of 16) assigned to PUFA and 13% (3 of 23) to MUFA converted to non-MetS status. Conclusion Substitution of SFA with PUFA in patients with MetS is associated with greater reductions in TG and improvement in endothelial function than MUFA that is independent of WL. These preliminary findings raise the possibility that PUFA may be the unsaturated fat of choice to reduce cardiometabolic risk in patients with MetS. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5010036/ The conflict you’ve highlighted is the central battleground between Bioenergetic (Ray Peat) principles and Mainstream Lipid Science. To understand why a study like the MUFFIN study shows positive results for Polyunsaturated Fats (PUFA) while Ray Peat viewed them as metabolic toxins, we have to look at the different metrics they prioritize: short-term blood markers versus long-term cellular stability. 1. The Chemical Difference: Why Peat Opposed PUFA Ray Peat’s primary argument against PUFAs (like those found in soybean, corn, and sunflower oils) was based on their chemical structure. PUFAs have multiple "double bonds." Saturated Fats (SFA): Have no double bonds. They are straight, stable, and resistant to heat and oxygen. Polyunsaturated Fats (PUFA): Have multiple double bonds. These bonds are "open" sites where oxygen can attack, leading to lipid peroxidation. According to Peat, when these unstable fats are incorporated into human tissues (cell membranes and mitochondria), they make the body more susceptible to oxidative stress, inhibit thyroid function, and promote the formation of age pigments (lipofuscin). 2. Analyzing the MUFFIN Study through a "Peat" Lens The MUFFIN study found that PUFAs were superior to Monounsaturated Fats (MUFA) for improving triglycerides and blood pressure in patients with Metabolic Syndrome. A follower of Ray Peat would likely critique these findings using the following arguments: A. The Weight Loss Confounding Factor In the study, the PUFA group lost significantly more weight (-4.6 kg) than the MUFA group (-2.3 kg). The Mainstream View: PUFAs might improve insulin sensitivity, leading to better weight loss. The Peat View: PUFAs are known to be "pro-metabolic" only in the sense that they can be toxic to the mitochondria, sometimes causing a "wasting" effect or a stress-induced increase in metabolic rate. Peat often argued that PUFAs interfere with the body's ability to store energy efficiently, which might show up as weight loss but at the cost of increased systemic stress. B. The "Blood Clearing" Effect vs. Tissue Accumulation The study focuses on Triglycerides (TG) and Flow Mediated Dilation (FMD). The Mainstream View: Lowering triglycerides in the blood is a sign of improved cardiovascular health. The Peat View: PUFAs lower blood lipids because they are easily oxidized and "pulled" out of the blood into the tissues, or because they inhibit the liver's ability to release glucose and fats. Peat argued that having lower fats in the blood isn't a benefit if those fats are being stored in your cell membranes, where they remain vulnerable to turning into toxic byproducts like acrolein and 4-HNE. C. The Randle Cycle (Glucose Competition) Ray Peat’s work heavily emphasized the Randle Cycle, a metabolic process where the oxidation of fats inhibits the oxidation of glucose. Peat argued that PUFAs are particularly effective at blocking the "burning" of sugar. While the MUFFIN study suggests improved "metabolic management," Peat would argue that over the long term, high PUFA intake forces the body into a state of "fat-burning" that mimics diabetes at a cellular level, suppressing the more efficient oxidative metabolism of glucose. 3. Why the results differ The MUFFIN study and Ray Peat are essentially looking at two different things: Feature Mainstream/MUFFIN Study Focus Ray Peat/Bioenergetic Focus Primary Goal Lowering blood markers (TG, BP, LDL). Increasing metabolic rate and CO2 production. Timeframe Short-term (6 months). Decades of tissue accumulation. Mechanism PUFAs as "essential" signaling molecules. PUFAs as "anti-thyroid" and oxidative toxins. Endothelial Health Measured via blood flow (FMD). Measured via resistance to lipid peroxidation. Summary The MUFFIN study provides evidence that for obese individuals with metabolic syndrome, replacing saturated fats with PUFA can lead to rapid improvements in clinical biomarkers (blood pressure and triglycerides). Ray Peat would counter that these improvements are superficial. He would argue that the participants are trading "good-looking" blood tests for long-term "rotten" cellular membranes. From a Peat perspective, the "metabolic syndrome" is caused by a lack of sugar oxidation, and adding PUFAs—even if they lower blood pressure in the short term—further suppresses the thyroid and the body's ability to use oxygen properly.
  • Websites, newsletters, articles, podcasts, interviews, explainers, books, and other resources that relate to the work of Dr. Raymond Peat.

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    I noticed the reprint of Nutrition for Women says "100 short articles by Ray Peat, PHD," where the old one said "92...". What did they add to it? Also, note that From PMS to Menopause is for sale on Peat's website but not Amazon, and Peat's website doesn't have Generative Energy. Weird. I wonder if Katherine gets more of the money if you order from Peat's site. I'd imagine so.
  • Do you have a question? You can post it here, but you will only receive unqualified personal opinions and NOT medical advice in any shape or form. If something seems like medical advice but it's posted in this category, it's actually a personal opinion.

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    @awawat there’s more where that came from ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Also, I would consider your rT3 levels if you’ve taken only T4 with no results for a while. Peat talked about success with low doses over a course of 6-24 months. Maybe you could play with higher ratios of t3 to t4 in your lunch and dinner doses. Danny Roddy probably has the most complied info on practical thyroid use, between convos with Peat, and feedback with health coaching. I think he might have a concise vid on using thyroid on YouTube
  • From medical devices to supplements. Red lights, CO2 tanks, large trash bags, kuinone, and more.

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    @saturnuscv which brand pharma oxandroloine?
  • Recipes, food, meal prep, brands. Discuss them all here.

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    @Mossy, thank you for understanding. I’ve been taking advantage of the beautiful weather we’ve been having here and helping my dad build up the endurance he lost since having the flu in January so I’ve been away from my computer and the forum more, lately. I think the thread’s title should read Cooking With Mossy because you’re far more ambitious and precise with your cooking than I am. You remind me of my brother. While I hardly ever measure ingredients and prefer using my senses—for example, I can tell by smell when something is done baking—my brother is methodical and likes following detailed instructions. I joke that it’s because he’s a Virgo, a sign known for its meticulous attention to detail, sometimes to its own detriment, and that if you want something done to perfection, hire a person with Virgo (or Capricorn) placements. I’m so glad you’ve made strides with your health and with your level of dedication, I have no doubt that you’ll continue to. I think my success with thyroid is a reflection of my long-standing deficiency, having had an under-active thyroid since birth and certain stressful experiences like molestation that suppressed it further. I think the average person with a healthier history could improve their thyroid function with diet and lifestyle changes alone. Having overcome the trauma, my need to supplement is minimal now outside of winter so I’m hopeful it will eventually be unnecessary. I’ve been a swimmer since I was in utero —in fact, one of my earliest memories is me as a baby in our pool wishing my mum had put me in the blue floaty she put my cousin in, instead of the red floaty I was in because even barely out of the womb I had strong preferences and don’t care for red lol—so I don’t actually fear I would drown, but I can see myself getting tossed around like a beach ball. However, it’s not mastering surfing that I’m after, but the surfer’s relaxed lifestyle and mindset. I could easily spend hours floating in the ocean on a surfboard (or steamer trunk—shout-out to Joe ), never catching a wave, and be in total bliss if I was in the flow, just being water, my friend. Haha! Fair enough. My dad isn’t a finger tapper, though. I sometimes wish he was because it has been a struggle getting him to eat, especially since his cancer treatments. I used to make all his meals in bulk on Mondays and he would just pull whatever he wanted out of the freezer and reheat it in the microwave throughout the week, but I’m having to make him all his meals daily now because he won’t eat otherwise. LOL at ask Jennifer. I’ve been collecting random knowledge in preparation for if I’m ever a contestant on a game show. I’m convinced with each fact I gather that no matter how useless, it will be the answer to the question that stands between me and the grand prize so it goes in the memory bank. Even if there is credibility to the claimed benefits of sprouting and fermenting, it sounds like grains are only a fraction of your diet so I personally would stick with the flour that’s been working for you. You’re already eliminating the worst offenders (IMO)—the franken ingredients—by baking from scratch. The only reason I like sprouted flour is because I find it sweeter and as a devout Wonka follower, the sweeter the better. My dad doesn’t eat a ton of grains, anyway.
  • Discussing pistol squats, concentric exercise, resting, and other forms of strength training.

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    @sunsunsun thx sushi
  • whats your opinion on taking kefir?

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    @RawGoatMilk88 That one is good. Mike Fave recommended that to me as well.
  • Share positive experiences with eating liver

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    @yerrag Haha thats a funny dtory I hope its true
  • T3 vs Aspirin (for fatigue)

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    @James T3 works better for fatigue in my experience. Aspirin doesnt have notable effects on my energy
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    @the-MOUSE Lundberg's Basmati White Rice tests the lowest in arsenic. White rice is your best bet for grains
  • How should serotonin depletion feel like?

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    Also I remember reading something about how tyrosine is converted to dopamine (which will drop serotonin) when sunlight is directed at the scalp so get some sun to improve your results.
  • Milk fat

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    @RawGoatMilk88 In what way is skim milk nutritionally devoid? It doesn't contain much in terms of fat soluble vitamins but it still has plenty of b12, b2, calcium, ect and is a good protein source
  • friends, what do you think about Methyluracil?

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  • Dairy folate

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    @RawGoatMilk88 Yes so I’ve heard with A2. Unfortunately that isn’t widely available in my country but thanks for the tips. I have a source for a non-homogenised milk I may start getting but I’m starting to think milk of any kind is a net benefit when drank at the correct time and not totally haphazardly.
  • Dr. Broda Barnes vs. Mainstream Medicine

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    @splithead_ said in Dr. Broda Barnes vs. Mainstream Medicine: I just finished Hypothyroidism by Dr. Broda Barnes and I've found it convincing, but almost too good to be true. A major claim like "94% of those who...should have been candidates for heart attacks during the study were protected from them by thyroid therapy," across a 1500 person sample, seems shockingly high and worthy of much more research. My question is then, with such a massive success rate, why haven't these therapies been explored further by mainstream medicine? As stated in the book, they are much cheaper than the standard treatments, but that can't be the only reason, can it? Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere or is a dumb question. Still new to this. Spend a little time over on the American Thyroid Association's website for clarification of the situation. Since you've already read Broda Barnes' book, compare and contrast the rational logic in it with the outright criminality of the ATA's dogmatic position (delineated here). The ATA has a stranglehold on treatment for hypothyroidism. The ATA's position is taken as the incontestable TRUTH by the American Medical Association and any doctor not kowtowing to this holy grail will be subject to license revocation. My new GP has informed me that I am not hypothyroid because my TSH is below .01 and he intends to revoke my prescription desiccated thyroid medication just as soon as my 83 year old endocrinologist retires. The prior 5-6 doctors over the past 50 years were also mistaken, you see. This GP thinks the ATA is the brilliant distributor of sanctified TRUTH; I think they are a criminal enterprise and should be RICOed. Ray Peat explained it here: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/thyroid.shtml Since the American Heart Association is still promoting polyunsaturated fats as "heart healthy", I'm pretty sure they are active participants in this ongoing organized crime. Making people healthy has never been the goal.
  • Period Cramps remedies for my gf

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    @raytreats said in Period Cramps remedies for my gf: Her period cramps are terrible, had to leave work early today after vomiting. She can't have dairy and Progest-e makes her very suspicious. Any other recommendations? Has she tried the carrot salad or maybe Vitex to balance her hormones? Also, if you don’t mind, can you share what her diet looks like? Diet can greatly affect our cycle so perhaps tweaking her diet will resolve her PMS.
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    @wrl Thanks!
  • Dht Vs 11 keto Dht Vs Dht Derivitaives

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    @InTheMorning pansterone in tocopherosl feels much better
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    @Crypt-Keeper Hey, GABA should have a delicate (seesaw) balance with dopamine. You can raise dopamine (and lower GABA) with L-Tyrosine, white coffee, OJ, and B vitamins like B1/sulbutiamine and B6-P5P, or Aspirin or T3/DHT. Also with emodin, inosine, Tribulus Terrestris or [image: 1726326851376-d2dd55f0-8b07-4f08-acea-2dc094e49563-image.png]
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    @LucH Thanks for the great info!
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    @happyhanneke lid off for the toxins to evaporate
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    @Bye4ever hahah ok buddy
  • My Experience With Different Carb Sources

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    @wrl said in My Experience With Different Carb Sources: @yerrag said in My Experience With Different Carb Sources: eating a lot of white sugar Aside from purity and sucrose content, what is the benefit of white sugar over other more "whole" sources such as molasses, rapadura (whole cane sugar) or other similar black/brown sources of sugar? Particularly in terms of the nutrients (vitamins, minerals, salicylates, polyphenols etc) which might be useful for supporting the respiration process amongst other things? It's hard to find a good reason to go with white sugar, except for the same reason that many chefs prefer the farm raised antibiotic-laced catfish, pangasius aka cream dory, from Vietnam and Thailand - a neutral taste (but I use a lot of muscovado sugar as well as it has a raw candy taste. When I was visiting my granny in the province back in the day, my granny was using white sugar and I would often go to the maids' area as I enjoyed the dark reddish brown sugar they used. It was the best candy I could find anywhere, especially when they are lumped together like a rock. Back then, processed sugar sold at a premium.) Just like it is with white rice over brown rice. Though brown rice has its benefits with more fiber and nutrients, and for many, many years I ate brown rice, I went back to white because I enjoy it way more. I came back to white rice when I realized my blood sugar become excellent, after going cold turkey on PUFAs for 4-5 years. There is no harm in using white rice and white sugar, when the nutrients I am missing out on in using brown sugar and brown rice are being met by other sources in a nutritionally knowledgeably sufficient eating lifestyle. And I make sure of that by relying a lot more on whole foods and from eating a variety from nature's bounty. Living in an archipelago with plenty of wild caught seafood, I am able to compensate also for eating the nutrient and health deficient livestock we eat (aka factory farms of chicken and pigs that die easily from bird and swine flu). We are what we eat as the saying goes
  • Protein Tier List

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  • sprats warm me up, my hands and feet are burning!

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    Sodium, protein and an unusual lipid profile. Probably.
  • Sleepy after coffee

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    I can get tired when I drink coffee at night. It probably has to do something with the reduction of stress hormones