@T-3, he objected to coconut milk and cream for the same reason he objected to unrefined coconut oil—it’s potentially allergenic. Unfortunately, I’m unable to search the old RPF for a direct quote, but the exchange below is from an interview with Patrick Timpone:
Patrick: What about refined bleach coconut oil or expeller pressed? Any issues there?
Ray: That's the only thing I've used. Because I used to occasionally get some homemade coconut oil that was just delicious for making ice cream, coconut ice cream. With fresh coconut, it's just a fantastic taste. But it happens to be allergenic. If you have any stress problems or digestive problems, it's better to use the refined deodorized coconut oil.
https://bioenergetic.life/?q=coconut+cream
And below are some of Ray’s email exchanges regarding coconut and coconut oil:
COCONUT
[Coconut meat] "It often causes gas and irritation symptoms."
[Coconut water] "If it is fresh from the coconut, it's good, also if it has been bottled without additives."
[Coconut fiber: If it lowers cholesterol (study), does it also lower estrogen?] "Do you know how the fiber is manufactured, and from what? Fibrous foods can lower both absorbed cholesterol and estrogen, but some fibers are broken down by bacteria to produce estrogenic materials. The husk fiber, coir, is being sold as a food additive. I don't know whether coir has been tested for the release of lignans, which could be carcinogenic. If it's just dried coconut meat, the problem would probably just be gas from the starches."
[follow-up: I have cooked finely shredded coconut meat with some sugar and I have used it occasionally and it works a lot like carrot salad for me but there was some mild gas problem. ] "I think gas is the only problem from the mature meat."
COCONUT OIL
"If you are using coconut oil regularly, that's a possible source of allergens, if it isn't well refined and deodorized."
"Most cities have wholesale grocers that either stock it (in five gallon buckets) or can get it, and they usually charge about $50 per bucket. GloryBee in Eugene is one place I have bought it, and Tropical Traditions has a good one, called expeller expressed, non-certified, and I think it's shipped from Nevada."
"It's just filtered, usually through diatomaceous earth, to remove materials other than the fat; the main problem with the unfiltered oil is that it's allergenic for many people. It also degrades quicker."
[MCT OIL] "The problem lots of people have is diarrhea or other bowel reaction when they take more than a very small amount at a time. The first times I used it I smelled like a goat for several days, and even a small amount is enough for me to notice on my skin the next day."
https://expulsia.com/health/emailexchanges#Coconut
And for anyone who may be interested, below is a link to Ray’s article on coconut oil, along with two experiences he shares in it that match my own with coconut—better blood sugar control and leaning out. In hopes of overcoming my reliance on thyroid supplementation, I’ve been experimenting heavily with my diet since last year and in its current iteration, my caloric intake is up by 300 calories from coconut (mostly milk and young meat) and I’m down two grains of thyroid, I'm leaner/my body is tighter and I now feel hunger without symptoms of hypoglycemia.
“The ability of some of the medium chain saturated fatty acids to inhibit the liver's formation of fat very likely synergizes with the pro-thyroid effect, in allowing energy to be used, rather than stored. When fat isn't formed from carbohydrate, the sugar is available for use, or for storage as glycogen. Therefore, shifting from unsaturated fats in foods to coconut oil involves several anti-stress processes, reducing our need for the adrenal hormones. Decreased blood sugar is a basic signal for the release of adrenal hormones. Unsaturated oil tends to lower the blood sugar in at least three basic ways. It damages mitochondria, causing respiration to be uncoupled from energy production, meaning that fuel is burned without useful effect. It suppresses the activity of the respiratory enzyme (directly, and through its anti-thyroid actions), decreasing the respiratory production of energy. And it tends to direct carbohydrate into fat production, making both stress and obesity more probable. For those of us who use coconut oil consistently, one of the most noticeable changes is the ability to go for several hours without eating, and to feel hungry without having symptoms of hypoglycemia.
Although I had stopped using the unsaturated seed oils years ago, and supposed that I wasn't heavily saturated with toxic unsaturated fat, when I first used coconut oil I saw an immediate response, that convinced me my metabolism was chronically inhibited by something that was easily alleviated by "dilution" or molecular competition. I had put a tablespoonful of coconut oil on some rice I had for supper, and half an hour later while I was reading, I noticed I was breathing more deeply than normal. I saw that my skin was pink, and I found that my pulse was faster than normal--about 98, I think. After an hour or two, my pulse and breathing returned to normal. Every day for a couple of weeks I noticed the same response while I was digesting a small amount of coconut oil, but gradually it didn't happen any more, and I increased my daily consumption of the oil to about an ounce. I kept eating the same foods as before (including a quart of ice cream every day), except that I added about 200 or 250 calories per day as coconut oil. Apparently the metabolic surges that happened at first were an indication that my body was compensating for an anti-thyroid substance by producing more thyroid hormone; when the coconut oil relieved the inhibition, I experienced a moment of slight hyperthyroidism, but after a time the inhibitor became less effective, and my body adjusted by producing slightly less thyroid hormone. But over the next few months, I saw that my weight was slowly and consistently decreasing. It had been steady at 185 pounds for 25 years, but over a period of six months it dropped to about 175 pounds. I found that eating more coconut oil lowered my weight another few pounds, and eating less caused it to increase.”
